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Post subject: Whats "beryl" actually do ??
 Posted: Jan 07, 2007 - 01:12 AM
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Erm sorry for the dumb question.
Ages ago, when SuSE first added support for it, I tried the Compiz and XGL "thing" - which worked fine except it screwed my video players and I couldn't really "see the point" of it (other than eye-candy of course), so I uninstalled it.
Now, it seems that everyone is on about beryl so I had a look to see if I could find what it actually is i.e. something new or just a replacement for compiz/XGL etc or is it better
Or what ?
I know it's one of the "buzz" things, but if it's gonna cause me aggro with other apps I probably won't bother but I like to try to understand what people are on about with new(er) stuff
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Post subject: RE: Whats "beryl" actually do ??
Posted: Jan 07, 2007 - 04:20 AM
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| Just more eye candy, that is a neat way to have multiple desktops. Look at the thread of shame's he has a couple videos showing what it looks like. |
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Posted: Jan 07, 2007 - 06:37 AM
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Like craigevil it's more about eyecandy than anything else.
It does actually do more useful stuff and it's at the point it does much, if not all of the things kwin does.
But it's nothing you can't live without, nobody NEEDS beryl. It's just fun. In my case it has had no affect on day to day use, other than an openoffice problem which is now fixed but I never get any crashes. I think everyone who can run beryl ought to at least try it at least once for the wow factor but if it causes problems it's probably better to stick with what you know and trust. |
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Posted: Jan 07, 2007 - 11:47 AM
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It's one of those "I'll get round too" things I suspect - I'm not sure why my video player was screwed when I tried the Compiz/XGL combo under SuSE (when I tried it before) i.e. whether it was a dinosaur graphics card or something else - but the video selection bit of h2's script has prompted me to look into newer cards.
So I'll probably look into it after that.
I'll have to search for shames threads though as I'd like to check it out.
ttfn
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Posted: Jan 07, 2007 - 08:13 PM
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Well having just searched for shames thread and watched the preview videos, I have to say, very impressive - ability wise that is.
Some very, very spectacular visuals. The "rain" or raindrops effect. Wow. I'll bet that that really does eat up GPU cycles!
Still, I suspect that I'm gonna have to pay a visit to the local PC components store (PCWorld) a bit sooner than later 
Erm, the only, seemingly, unanswered bit. Is beryl a replacement for, or additional to, Compiz and XGL i.e. is it one or the other, both or all three ????
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p.s. Oh and both of the preview vid's were done from a gnome desktop, so are the effects as dramatic under KDE ??? |
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Posted: Jan 07, 2007 - 11:49 PM
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yes, beryl is a compiz replacement. i believe it was forked from compiz at some point.
while many features of beryl are just eye candy, i found the expose-like window picker (it saves you a lot of effort in finding the right window when you have lots of them open) and the 3d desktop (it seems to make the concept of wirtual desktops a lot more intuitive) to be very useful.. |
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Posted: Jan 07, 2007 - 11:49 PM
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fatbloke,
the effects are as dramatic under KDE as under Gnome (well, I just know it under KDE). Regarding compiz, i think the beryl people see the compiz project from novell as too much of a closed society, and beryl replaces compiz (you do not need it on your box). Hardware: runs fine here under nvidia cards.
When do I use it? At work. Yepp, for the eyecandy. "Uhhh, what is that?" And the new packages from shame more or less do not have any showstoppers anymore: dialoges of openoffice work now (no fullscreen bug anymore), and the desktopswitcher for compiz is working fine now as well (i can shove windows from one virtual desktop to another).
For being at home in front of my desktop: well ... it's a bit too much of everything, and I continue to use KWin. But beryl startbutton in my taskbar 
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Posted: Jan 09, 2007 - 06:33 AM
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| @ fatbloke, the videos were done on kde. I just used nautilus for the scripts to enable the screensaver/movie wallpapers |
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Posted: Jan 09, 2007 - 11:39 PM
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well, sorry to say, I cant live without it, I know its "just" eye-candy, but...
When I started with knoppix, then kanotix, and now, sidux, i NEVER used the "four" desktops that are defaulted on the taskbar. In fact, most of the time, I knocked the four, down to two... and still never moved off of the first desktop.
With Beryl, and the cube, I have used three, and in many cases, the defaulted four, desktops. I have less cluttered desktops, and what is on a single desktop is related to what is also on that desktop -=- i.e. one desktop has root stuff, another user stuff, third has xchat/email/web browser, and when I want to watch a movie, the fourth is used for kaffeine. The Beryl "cube" allows me to simply rotate the mouse wheel to quickly change the desktop I am on, and quickly view all the desktops easily, with a simple "flow" movement of the wheel. One more "feature" I like with Beryl, its "cube", and the "screensaver" plugin, is, that, even with the screensaver running, I can view any changes in all of the desktops, while its "saving" the screen - all the desktops are updated real-time in screensaver mode (this is not true on other screensavers)
So, I hold true to Beryl - some may say its "just" eye-candy, or not-needed, or required, but, as I have found with technology, once you get used to it, or use it, it almost becomes a necessity. e.g. microwave ovens... there was a time, that, the only reason to have one, was, to heat your coffee, now look... most people cant live without one...
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Posted: Jan 10, 2007 - 12:14 AM
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LadyCuddles, totally with you on the using more desktops, I too used to cut the default to two and often stick on one but the cube idea seems so conducive to having lots of things going on in an ordered fashion and easy to spin to... its hard to imagine getting by without now. And its great eye-candy too of course 
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Posted: Jan 10, 2007 - 06:13 AM
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kstevek wrote:
LadyCuddles, totally with you on the using more desktops, I too used to cut the default to two and often stick on one but the cube idea seems so conducive to having lots of things going on in an ordered fashion and easy to spin to... its hard to imagine getting by without now. And its great eye-candy too of course
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Posted: Jan 13, 2007 - 11:12 AM
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Well I dunno about multiple desktops etc, but suspect that once I've gone and got myself a newer graphics card then it'll be worth the effort of installing/configuring beryl.
Like "British Rail" it takes a while, but gets there eventually 
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