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Post subject: blogged sidux eros preview experience
 Posted: Nov 08, 2007 - 01:46 PM
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Gone sidux part 1: motivation and installation
Gone sidux part 2: booting up and looking around
Just found (no, it's not my blog)... 
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To wrap things up for now, sidux is far more on the sid-side of life than expected and just as useless for people not familiar with the ins and outs of dpkg and its offspring. Some extra tools and packages do add a little value and I think I am going to stick with it, but the system is only very little more than pure debian -- which is good. Thinking about it, I have no idea what the audience that sidux targets looks like. People familiar with all that is necessary will most likely not see a reason to switch from sid to sidux while people new to it simply do not have a chance -- tools like smxi try to explain what they are doing, but those explanations are still far too technical and short for the average user (who would also not know that dpkg-reconfigure console-data does what the installer did not: setting up the keyboard-layout).
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Posted: Nov 25, 2007 - 06:38 PM
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Just to let you know, the second "Part 2" link goes to part one.
Part 2 is here: http://www.matthiassteinbach.de/Blog/in ... 105-130446
As for the review, like many reviews there is a lot of moaning about what isn't there.
This is of course all down to personal preference and what a user personally needs so shouldn't really be part of a review.
Also, like many reviews, it moans that it isn't ideal for a new user. If a reviewer is going to make such comments they should really point out that it isn't actually aimed at new users.
Overall it's a fair review but I think reviewers should really do some research on distros they are reviewing and see what userbase they are aimed at and what their philosophy is.
Reviewers also ought to spend more time focusing on what is there rather than what isn't. No distro can include every bit of software that everyone could want (unless it's included on about a dozen discs) so compromises have to be made (though the lack of a mail program is a fair point as just about everyone uses mail). |
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Posted: Nov 25, 2007 - 06:50 PM
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Agreed that sidux is not really geared to new users, but rather to users who have some experience with Linux. I always point newbie Linux users to distros such as PCLOS or *gasp* Ubuntu, where they can learn how to get used to Linux and its differences from Windows. Once they have gained some experience with these distros, then sidux would be a good next step.
Now why can't some soul come up with a Ubuntu-like distro that is totally compatible with Debian repos/packages? Then jumping to Debian sid based distro like sidux should then be a piece of cake. |
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Posted: Nov 25, 2007 - 07:09 PM
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DeepDayze wrote:
Now why can't some soul come up with a Ubuntu-like distro that is totally compatible with Debian repos/packages? Then jumping to Debian sid based distro like sidux should then be a piece of cake.
Actually this distro exists - it's called Debian Stable. However, your newcomers want be happy with it. That's why sidux exists, that's why I install and promote sidux everywhere without complains. 99% of pc users do not fiddle with configs (the tweakers!), need more crazy development apps, but still demand the newest version of the 3-4 applications they use every day. For those sidux is just ok.
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Posted: Nov 25, 2007 - 07:19 PM
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| Until sidux is 100% terminal/command code free, I would never recommend it to a newbie linux user. Once they do pass that hurdle though, then unquestionably sidux is the best deal on the block. |
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Posted: Nov 25, 2007 - 07:35 PM
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I think that this way newbie users would never learn a thing about Linux...
They would just memorize the clicks they need to make in order to do a certain thing, but what about "behind the curtains"?
I agree that this would not apply to some users, but...
The more you know about *how* a system works, the easier it is to make the computer do the things you want, the computer being what it is - your slave 
In any case: Are you willing to learn? Then sidux is probably the best point to start. |
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Posted: Nov 25, 2007 - 07:41 PM
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Though not everyone actually wants to learn how linux works, some just want an alternative to windows.
I'm trying to use the command line more and more but I don't think there's anything wrong with more gui stuff as long as the command line is still there for those who want it. |
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Posted: Nov 25, 2007 - 07:45 PM
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That's absolutely true. But I think that sidux is good for beginners, given the excellent manual, forum, smxi & co.
It's an "allround" distribution after all 
At some time, you will anyway be confronted with a console, be it Ubuntu or sidux. |
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Posted: Nov 25, 2007 - 07:48 PM
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tr0nic, very well said, why I say ubuntu is the windows of linux, for people who don't want to learn, just point, click ...........
Nothing wrong with that, but then again, windows does that already, Linux is NOT Windows, but then again, it does help the linux community in general |
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Posted: Nov 25, 2007 - 08:37 PM
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| sidux rules, I for one no crap about how linux works. About the only thing I use console for is to apt-get install something after I find it using kio-apt in konqueror. |
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Posted: Nov 26, 2007 - 05:21 AM
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| As noted by shame, the reviewer should really consider the target audience. sidux is really targeted for hard-core geeks, and it does a superb job of filling that niche. Newbies that want more than a Windows experience are welcome, but you need to know how to fix things (or to find the users who know the fix) when something breaks, and that's not your average newbie. |
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Posted: Nov 26, 2007 - 05:38 AM
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 Just thought I'd add my two cents worth! I agree with much said, I personally think the reviewer should say WHAT IS THERE! First I'm new to Linux. Maybe I first started at the end of 2006. Tried SuSE after hours of review reading etc. It was 10.0. It was combersome, install wise. It worked. I got rid of it since the M$ deal. Too corporate for me personally.
I heard about Mandriva from a friend and also read about PClinuxOS and Simply Mepis.
I like Mandriva or PClinuxOS to give to people who feel they NEED point and click. However as someone said, sometimes U will need CLi. Windows doesn't have it and when U get 'those' kinds of problems. Reinstall! I was amused that a friend who's a computer professional, for windows, once advised me to just reinstall to fix a problem I had. (I eventually found it because I was reinstalling practically every day! At which point that was the last straw with Windows for me. I had to learn something to manage the problem and for me personally, what's wrong with learning to do it even a little yourself. Linux gives U the option and choice at least!)
I was blown away about a review I read about sidux, back when I installed GAIA. It wasn't a M$ wanna be! The use of scripts to help the user and a very clear manual! I mean C'mon?
There are INSTRUCTIONS people! So if folks are too lazy to read. Then go elswhere! If U read the instructions step by step, then U can't go wrong! If U are really confused, then there is Forum and IRC.
Otherwise, as someone said, Apt is so easy and DEBIAN hasoe of the biggest repos, one of the attractions, that it's no really gonna kill someone to apt-get install. (permanently imprinted on my brain and the misses says tired of hearing me mumble it in my sleep)
It works, and it works well.
What might be a bit daunting though, is upgrading very often. That is a SID aspect. I would love to see some similar ideas being done by someone with Either TESTING or STABLE DEBIAN... (With backports of new stuff)
Using scripts I like it. It's still faster than always GUI. Everyone wants to go GUI and it's useful. Yet knowing a bit about what's happening, some of us want that too.
About the STABLE, I know someone is going to mention Kanotix. I like the look, good artwork. I put it on a work provided Desktop. Uh, it needs more development and at the moment, I guess only one person is working on it. (Ran into some issues and it literally keeps crashing. Some things will not install from the repo?)
So there are things that need to be fixed! For the average users, I am right up there. Mandriva or PClinuxOS. Best GUI interfaces I think in Linux.
I haven't touched Simply Mepis cause they went ubuntu. Mint is better but they're still under Ubuntu's skirt. Too bad they won't go DEBIAN. Now Simply Mepis is back to Debian STABLE. Will have a glance.
Think the artwork is terribly boring though...
sidux for me...
I don't know that much either. But I know how to read.
As someone else said, the variety and choices inhance the Linux community. (Mandy has a really nice GUI, but I remember having to install everything with Urpmi cause the GUI was on strike! Oh and if anyone has used Mandy, Urpmi lock up!  Wish they'd do something about that... personally they should just go APT like PClin! Then they'd be ahead of the game too with an easier update path!)
I like sidux for making it so people can get into DEBIAN and learn to use it! I think DEBIAN especiallyif one goes STABLE with some backports, offers most people what they want! Something they can put on their computer, use comfortable, KDE in my opinion is loaded with enough GUI and configuration tools all by itself! Once set up, update/upgrad and U have something on your computer for years unless U R a Hopper! PClinuxOS uses APT specifically so then can emulate the very structure here in DEBIAN with upgrading and updating.
But side note, I swear some of these reviewers, always want to START something, just because they need people to read what they wrote or else no income... 
Wot was that really old song? "Gotta be startin' Something!"
Probably showing my age...
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