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Post subject: ACPI Problems with kernel 2.6.23.1-xx Versions
 Posted: Nov 07, 2007 - 10:31 AM
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Hi,
I use an Compaq Armada1750 Laptop which is upgraded to an PIII 500 Mhz CPU.
In order to use the 256K L2-cache I used until now (kernel 2.6.22.xx) an Module called pIIIcache which I always had to recompile for each new kernel. Without this module the L2-cache wasn't used and the laptop was pretty slow.
Now with kernel 2.6.23.1- xx (first noticed with 2.6.23.1-slh-smp-16) I have the effect that the Laptop hangs during boot at Load kernel modules ... if the module is loaded (per entry in /etc/modules) or freezes when i call the module with modprobe pIIIcache.
Compilation of the module itself went fine, there were some warnings as all the times before but the module was compiled and installed
I found that this problem does not occur when I start the Laptop with the Boot-parameter acpi=off (neither oldboot nor pci=noacpi helps)
if the Laptop runs with the pIIcache module loaded on start or per modprobe.
The shortcoming of that is that acpi-functions are deeply missed (powersave functions, button-events).
Does somebody know a solution to this ? Could the activation of the L2-cache be integrated somehow into the kernel?
The use of the Laptop either completely without ACPI or without the use of the L2-cache is, as you surely can imagine, a little bit frustrating 
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Post subject: ACPI Problems with kernel 2.6.23.1-xx Versions
Posted: Nov 16, 2007 - 06:30 PM
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Hhhm,
no replies. Does nobody elese have similar experiences or (even better) a solution/hint ?
I tested a little bit further and can say that that 2.6.22.9 definitely works and on the 2.6.23.1 kernels (tested now with -13 'til -32) the system freezes when starting the freshly compiled with "modprobe . . . ".
There were some Lines with an "if-else" Routine about "Good APIC" in an acpi.h file of the source code commented out but removing the comments didn' help either.
Any ideas ?
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Post subject: RE: ACPI Problems with kernel 2.6.23.1-xx Versions
Posted: Nov 16, 2007 - 06:42 PM
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You should simply get used to the idea that a p3/500 is not state of the art any more. sidux kernels are optimized for modern hardware, which is an enough complicate task. Most hardware using a p3/500 is not alive any more, and definitely not our primary topic. Why don't you just stick with the last kernel working fine? Your machine is defintitely not the right one to test freshest and bleeding edge.
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Post subject: RE: ACPI Problems with kernel 2.6.23.1-xx Versions
Posted: Nov 16, 2007 - 08:16 PM
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| That said, it's working fine on a Celeron 333a with an Intel BX chipset, the problem about it - ACPI implementations were even worse back then than they are today - and almost impossible to debug without the exact same hardware and software (BIOS version) and being extremely familiar with the ACPI implementation in the linux kernel. |
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Posted: Nov 16, 2007 - 10:21 PM
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Well,
looks like i have to stay wit the 2.6.22-Kernel for now (and experiment with newer ones from time to time).
Didn't expect that a change from 2.6.22 to 2.6.23 could bring such heavy changes which result in an immediate system-freeze.
The Hardware processorwise is am P3I MMC-2-Module wich was used in quite a number of laptops. The laptop contained originally PII Processors until 400Mhz but could be pretty easily upgraded with such modules(unless cthe chassis doesn't melt).
The Problem is that the L2-cache is not automatically accessible and you need some additional Programs/Modules under Windows and Linux (2.4 and 2.6) to be able to use it. And the 2.6 er Version worked quite well until now (2.6.22).
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Posted: Nov 16, 2007 - 11:59 PM
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| It is quite unlikely to be a CPU issue, but most likely an error in the BIOS ACPI implementation - to which different kernel versions react differently. |
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Post subject: ACPI Problems with kernel 2.6.23.1-xx Versions
Posted: Feb 13, 2008 - 08:19 PM
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Hello,
playing around with kernel 2.6.24.2 I found today that the little Cache-Activation-Module (pIIIcache) for my older "not state of the art" PIII-Laptop can be compiled again and also can be loaded sucessfully again without freezing the Laptop immediately.
Hope it stays like this for longer as i donot want to throw it away. No acpi problems found yet on it with this kernel. Wether is speeds up the CPU as before I still have to test finally.
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Post subject: ACPI Problems now with kernel 2.6.26.1
Posted: Aug 05, 2008 - 08:54 PM
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Hi,
here we go again 
From 2.6.24 on it worked until the 2.6.25 series but with 2.6.26. there are coming up the same old problems again. At least it shows the same behaviour.
Compiling of the module for the L2 cache (pIIIcache) works with some warnings (as usual before). Loading it via modprobe freezes the system, Loading it during boot in /etc/modules halts/freezes the system after the message "loading kernel modules"
Maybe its fixed again in newer versions (maybe 2.6.27 (?)) . For now I'll stay on the 2.6.25-series on the laptop.
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Post subject: ACPI Problems with kernel 2.6.23.1-xx Versions
Posted: Sep 22, 2008 - 08:23 PM
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Hmm,
the problem stayed with all 2.6.26 kernels I tested until now.
So experimented with an rc 2.6.27 kernel which I "borrowed" from Kanotix and surprise ==> it works !
After I managed to get it working (it didn't like the sidux environment and downgraded some packages which I then again upgraded behind its back so the system worked again) the module compiled and could be loaded without system-freezing. I am usng it right now.
So there is hope for my old laptop to run again with "pure sidux" as soon as kernel 2.6.27 is released and slh provides some for sidux
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Post subject: [Solution ?] ACPI Problems with kernel 2.6.23.1-xx Versions
Posted: Nov 04, 2008 - 10:17 PM
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Well,
tested it this week lately with kernel 2.6.27-4-slh-3 and the problem stayed with this kernel while it had been gone with the ones from kanotix.
So I finally managed to get the sidux-kernel-sources over, learned how nowadays a kernel/Debian-kernel should be build from the wiki and did some config-changes according to my machine/laptop got one kernel compiled and installed
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And too my surprise it seems to work.
The things I changed were:
Changing to PentiumIII/Coppermine processor
HOTPLUG_PCI_COMPAQ_NVRAM
Intel PIIX/ICH chipsets support (BLK_DEV_PIIX)
I donot know exactly which one of the last two ones did the trick. The nvram-option was disabled and the Intel PIIX... option was greyed out in xconfig.
But I suspect the Intel_PII .... as the laptop was originally designed for PII cpus and upgraded to PIII via an MMC-2 Module. So were also some IBM-Thinkpads which also could be upgraded to PIII this was and for those the little pIIIcache-module was originally written.
Would somebody more capeable than me look into that and could (if possible at all without destroying/disturbing other parts) those little changes be implemented/incorporated in the configuration of the sidux kernels?
I could do that right now for my machine myself but as this takes quite long (I could do compiling on another, faster machine) and I donot know how this will change in future kernels I would prefer it in the kernel as "standart".
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Post subject: [Solved] ACPI Problems with kernel 2.6.23.1-xx Versions
Posted: Nov 09, 2008 - 10:36 AM
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Hmm,
worked once but doesn't anymore 
But I found another and easier solution by using the Debian-66-kernel via smxi.
Its actually only and 2.6.26.1-version but doesnt't need to be recompiled.
Mayb someday the sidux kernels will work for my laptop again (as the problem was solved/gone (accidently ??) in the 2.6.25 Series of kernels).
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