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 Posted: Jun 06, 2008 - 12:49 PM
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Well we can talk about dolphin, yes, it's way better than d3lphin! But it still is not that konqueror 3.5.x feeling. And that Suse menu is just horrible - IMHO. Talking about "moddable": I wish I just could use good old pngs to skin the panel... IMHO they made it a lot more complicated for the avarage user to adjust the look because those svg files contain more than one skin piece, reminds me of xmms- or Gnome themes. And AFAIK there is no way to mimic 3.5, at least not until now: I don't have files and real links on my desktop (no, that plasma box does not count), icons still have ugly frames, old style menu doesn't feel like 3.5 menu, I don't have the option to create an own desktop menu for the middle mouse button, middle mouse button actions (the big advantage over MS OS) seem to have vanished completely.
By now I still have the feeling of "Take the worst from Gnome, take the worst from Vista - et voilà: KDE 4 with Plasma". Yes I know it's still under heavy development and I stay curious. But I really hope they will add a real "classic 3.5" mode for the desktop (including pseudo transparency for the panel for systems without 3d cards).
To say something positive: I love the way you can resize the panel now. |
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Posted: Aug 09, 2008 - 10:50 AM
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spacepenguin wrote:
middle mouse button actions (the big advantage over MS OS) seem to have vanished completely.
WHAT?
Copy/paste?
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Posted: Aug 09, 2008 - 02:25 PM
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No - copy/paste still works. But for me that's not a KDE thing. I mean actions like moving icons on the panel or middle mouse button menus. The KDE devs seem to completely have forgotten that there exists a middle mouse button which you can use for a lot of things... But the middle mouse button suddenly seems to be "bad", as seem to be context menus. Looks like they want to put as much action as possible to the left mouse button, even if that is more complicated or takes longer  |
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Posted: Sep 19, 2008 - 02:53 PM
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I recently tried the KDE 4.1 LiveCD based on openSuse. It looked nice and was very stable. It was not feature complete and I can't see myself using it on a day to day basis just yet. It is very usable, however, for any early adopters who love to be on the cutting edge of things.
I have to say I did not like Plasmoids at all. I know I will get use to them in time but they seem annoying at the moment. |
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Posted: Sep 19, 2008 - 03:41 PM
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hi,
i must say i have not tried it yet (and probably never will). I just like my kde 3.5.x as it is now. It runs smooth on all my 3 laptops (hp big one (forgot what type exactly, but much power dualcore blabla...), my sony vaio and my eeepc900. Yes i know you can make kde4 look like kde3.5 but why the hell should i do that ? Just to waste my memory ? For me kde4 is a big mess. If they ever stop to support kde3.5 or kick it out of the repos i will surely change to xfce4.
I will not try it before i can have REAL Icons on my desktop.
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Posted: Oct 05, 2008 - 10:02 AM
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Is there a repository for kde 4.2 from svn?
In experimental there is 4.1.1 (and now 4.1.2) but I would try the new features in kde 4.2 (I think now 4.1.68...).
Is it possible? I can't compile it...
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Posted: Oct 27, 2008 - 04:41 AM
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cleary edit:
please do not encourage the use of aptitude. I know you are a proud aptitude user, we proudly discourage it's use because of the increased risk of damage it can cause to a user's system.
Any users installing kde4 packages *should* have half an idea how to manipulate apt-get so it will do what they require, otherwise they will likely find themselves in a pickle with future kde4 package version transitions. If they don't have at least this level of knowledge, then that is a strong indication that they should not be testing entire DE's pulled from the experimental repo.
Allowing a tool like aptitude to guess at what packages to remove for you when the experimental repo/packages are thrown into the mix is even more dangerous than general aptitude use, and highly likely to put these users into a situation they are unable to resolve.
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Post subject: Menu paradigm sucks
Posted: Nov 13, 2008 - 06:47 PM
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| I've tried KDE 4 on various distros and I simply do not like the menu system. I don't think it's an improvement at all over KDE 3. I like to "drill down" in a menu system, not bounce up down left right. And it seems like a lot of the configurability has been removed from 4. I like and am used to 3 (although visually speaking, 4 is quite beautiful to the eyes). |
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Post subject: Menu paradigm sucks
Posted: Nov 13, 2008 - 07:02 PM
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Posted: Nov 13, 2008 - 07:07 PM
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I've tried KDE 4 on various distros and I simply do not like the menu system. I don't think it's an improvement at all over KDE 3. I like to "drill down" in a menu system, not bounce up down left right.
Well,
it's on you, to change the K-Menu the way you want it. If you don't like the Menustyle, just rightclick on the K-Button and choose the KDE3-Style.
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And it seems like a lot of the configurability has been removed from 4. I like and am used to 3 (although visually speaking, 4 is quite beautiful to the eyes).
The configurability has not been removed, it's just not yet implemented. KDE4 will be (at least) as configurable as KDE3 is/was, but it will take some time (it took about 10 years for KDE to be at the state it is now in KDE3). |
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Posted: Nov 13, 2008 - 08:32 PM
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+1
Everything new and different than the status quo is bad...
So i guess we should stop any Progress and return to stone Age....
KDE 4 breaks some old paradigms, sure. But that isnt necessarily a bad thing.
We are just too much used to the status quo that we stopped questioning if there is an other way.
After all this is opensource Software, so its only a matter of time until someonne implements one kde3.5 feature after the other and at the end everyone will be able to hav the system the 3.5 way or the 4 was, as he likes.
And don't just reduce KDE4 to its desktop! there are a whole lot improvements under the hood.
Dbus instead of dcop (and thus following the freedesktop.org specifications and be more compatible to other desktop environments) solid as hardware-abstaction, the phonon-backend.
There is even soe possibility that KDE kan be ported to windows (or MacOS) with KDE4, because Qt4 allows a better abstration than Qt3 does.
besides that, Icons on a KDE4-Desktop are not entirely impossible, they're jus tnot yet implemented... this is still a work in progress, don't forget that!
After all, there was a lot of work done in Kde4, its not badly engineered and has a lot of potential, so please think about that when bashing!
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Posted: Nov 15, 2008 - 10:13 PM
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Ge0rgy wrote:
+1
Everything new and different than the status quo is bad...
So i guess we should stop any Progress and return to stone Age....
Correct,
forget all this digital shit. Let's write on clay; we all should go back to cuneiform-writing 
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Posted: Nov 16, 2008 - 10:30 PM
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Is there any repo with kde 4.2 from svn...?
Btw, I tried 4.2 svn and it's now more configurable.
It's now more usable on my 7'' eeepc!!  |
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Posted: Nov 18, 2008 - 09:15 AM
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No, there is no kde 4.2 repo...
but you can easily compile it! There is a manual on techbase. |
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Posted: Nov 18, 2008 - 12:38 PM
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