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Post subject: KDE 4 vs. 3.5.x - Official Information Thread
 Posted: Oct 18, 2007 - 10:17 AM
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| Will we have the choice between KDE 3.5.x and KDE 4 or will we be forced to use KDE 4.0 with the final release? |
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Post subject: RE: KDE 4 vs. 3.5.x - will we have the choice?
Posted: Oct 18, 2007 - 10:27 AM
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Έρως will ship with KDE 3.5.8, not KDE4 - neither upstream KDE4 nor the debian packaging staging up in experimental are in a state to do otherwise anyways (at least not yet).
When KDE4 gets available in sid/ unstable (our releases are Debian sid-only, not a mixture of oldstable, stable, testing, experimental or even Ubuntu), we will have to decide which KDE to pick for a release (that might happen for Νυξ, but strictly depends on upstream and debian packaging roadmaps).
Technically KDE 3.5.x and KDE4 can coexist on the same system and switched between using kdm, but both will not fit in 703 MB at once... How to deal with the size constraints of common CD-R media remains to be seen. If KDE4 is ready for prime time by then, I could imagine KDE3 vs. KDE4 flavours or a small DVD release; the decision on that is still open. |
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Posted: Oct 18, 2007 - 11:42 AM
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i wonder if KDE4 would fit on a CD-R alone!? 
if it follows the footsteps of some other "modern" operating-system, and especially its "eye candy" and all this, i would expect a release on 2 DVDs which has to fetch some gigabytes of patches from the web after install
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Posted: Oct 18, 2007 - 01:12 PM
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| a good question: should sidux be released on 2 cd's, where you have the livecd as it is plus an optional 2nd cd to hold another set of packages? |
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Posted: Oct 18, 2007 - 03:22 PM
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DeepDayze wrote:
a good question: should sidux be released on 2 cd's, where you have the livecd as it is plus an optional 2nd cd to hold another set of packages?
I believe there is already an open discussion re this topic on another thread.
http://sidux.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB ... =sidux+dvd |
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Posted: Oct 18, 2007 - 05:49 PM
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rodneyck: posted there, thanks  |
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Posted: Oct 18, 2007 - 06:36 PM
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So won't kde 3.x be replaced by kde4 anyway through regular upgrades?
Personally I would rather wait for that to happen. |
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Posted: Oct 18, 2007 - 06:54 PM
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@shame: Exactly - and a very good decision. That's how Debian Sid/sidux works at it's best.
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Posted: Oct 19, 2007 - 11:59 AM
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well, sooner or later it will.
but i guess it will become very funny... the switch to KDE4 is a rather large transition, nearly everything in KDE got changed, backed on Qt4 and reimplemented.
so i guess there will be quite many library- and dependency-issues until it will work as expected.
i bet there will be many ppl. who break theiry system in the meantime with incomplete kde
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Posted: Oct 19, 2007 - 12:20 PM
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| Unlikely, because your current KDE 3.5 setups will remain, it might be that the new KDE4 parts won't work at first - but the proven to be stable KDE 3.5.8 is just a mouse click away (and I expect both to be available in the archive for at least half a year, before the "forced" transition kicks in). |
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Posted: Oct 19, 2007 - 04:03 PM
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| i'd think that kde4 should be able to be installed alongside kde 3.5.x , until transition's complete at which time then a future kde4 update will then remove the kde 3.5.x packages. |
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Posted: Oct 19, 2007 - 08:05 PM
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Is it really a problem? We have survived more serious transitions than KDE. We always can use alternative desktop environment.
I use sidux because it's bleeding edge. I want to use versions of applications as new as possible. So I'd like to see KDE 4.0 in sidux in the same moment it will appear in sid. |
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Posted: Oct 19, 2007 - 10:18 PM
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| or smxi can put kde4 on hold/release until its ready |
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Posted: Oct 19, 2007 - 10:24 PM
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| kde 3>3.5 was no biggie I seriously doubt 4.0 will be either. KDE isnt like Gnome that tends to break with every big update. |
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Post subject: KDE 4.0 released
Posted: Jan 10, 2008 - 03:36 AM
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It is trickling in experimental.
Kde 3.80 from the Debian repos has rocked!
I have not had a single crash using it.
And yes - it is in experimental so use carefully (especially the next day or so as 4.0 completes in experimental.) |
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