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 Posted: Sep 05, 2007 - 12:35 AM
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Posted: Nov 30, 2007 - 02:46 PM
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| From my personal experience, using konqueror (kio-apt) is perfect for doing packet searches. No need for synaptic, adept, etc.... It does everything that I need it to. And I agree that you should heed the developers suggestions about how to install, remove and upgrade... |
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Posted: Nov 30, 2007 - 03:11 PM
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zulu9 wrote:
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Adding ^ before the keyword filters results.
Cool. This also works with kio-apt 
It's a general regexp thingy. The caret ^ means the beginning of the line |
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 - 07:07 PM
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Hey shame, THX for this thread .... now I know the "why" of not using those other package managers  good post ! |
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 - 02:30 AM
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The_Seeker wrote:
shame wrote:
I assume there is some way to filter these searches better with apt-cache search but I never looked into it.
Adding ^ before the keyword filters results.
Now that's very helpful. Thanks for the info. |
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Posted: Mar 29, 2008 - 08:52 PM
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| The more I read, the more I wonder. I know this is probably a very dumb question, but if upgrading in X is a bad idea then wouldn't installing programs from X be a bad idea too, especially if you pulled down dependencies that affected KDE or Xorg? It seems to me the only safe method of installing programs is in init 3. Or am I misreading what so many posts have written? The manual just says us apt-get for installing programs and I'm assuming that means in X because it makes no mention of it not being. |
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Posted: Mar 29, 2008 - 10:27 PM
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definitely, you're 100% right, there's no finer way to destroy kde than installing a kde app that pulls in a whole new kde while you're in kde.
Anything is safe if you understand what you're doing, if your kde is up to date, then installing a new k app is usually safe.
The safe method is to see what is getting pulled in, and if you see hal/udev, kde, xorg, etc, stuff being pulled in, stop, and do it via init 3.
You have to use your judgement. Debian sid will never be a safe system for average users to run, period. You can learn to run it and run it safely, but it is not safe by default, it's a cutting edge system, and people can and do get cut. Learning how it works is the best way to protect yourself.
A perfect world would see a new debian stable every year, which is plenty fast enough for a release cycle, but that takes a lot of work, and it's not realistic to expect debian devs to have that much time free every year, unless we see some larger amounts of corporate support, eg from HP, re bug hunting pre stable releases. So 18 months or so is about as often as you can realistically expect to see a new stable. And that's pushing it for free desktop software, it gets too out of date towards the end of that cycle, forcing you to pick: stability or fresh software? |
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Posted: Apr 28, 2008 - 05:20 AM
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| I use Aptitude ever since I using sidux. It works like a charm. "aptitude update" then it displays how many new updates, then "aptitude full-upgrade". Everything works fine. Even updating from KDE. I updated KDE, Xorg, and so on from here.. I think its safe. |
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Posted: Apr 28, 2008 - 08:37 AM
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honorshark wrote:
I use Aptitude ever since I using sidux. It works like a charm. "aptitude update" then it displays how many new updates, then "aptitude full-upgrade". Everything works fine. Even updating from KDE. I updated KDE, Xorg, and so on from here.. I think its safe.
Im hanging around in IRC alot, and so I could read many things like:
"I do it like with stable/testing (or even worse:) ubuntu, dont tell me it wont work,
it did all the time"
well, after "all the time" was over, i could make a list like the following:
BODYCOUNT 
app total death toll
adept 6 systems
synaptic 4 sytems
aptitude 1 system
please, guys, use apt-get (kio-apt uses it too) !! |
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Posted: Apr 28, 2008 - 09:08 AM
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| Okay okay I will use it then, but the other forums/pages suggested APTITUDE every time, cause "its a lot more advanced than apt-get". But I won't question the makers of an OS even if its just a customized one.. "JUST"..hehe^^ |
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Posted: Apr 28, 2008 - 10:51 AM
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honorshark wrote:
Okay okay I will use it then, but the other forums/pages suggested APTITUDE every time, cause "its a lot more advanced than apt-get". But I won't question the makers of an OS even if its just a customized one.. "JUST"..hehe^^
honorshark,
it's the autoremove function of aptitude which may cause mayhem with a rolling release. This is the reason why sidux is shipped with apt and disabled autoremove function.
You are free to search for a thread here starting something like "my kdm was removed, I cannot login to KDE, any ideas?"
And with posts like yours being called more or less an idiot, one is not very keen on helping even if one knows the answer.
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Posted: Apr 28, 2008 - 02:49 PM
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Okay okay I said I got it. I using now apt-get..and I will use it from now on.. By the way.. "jó látni rajtam kívül itt magyarokat..  )" (sry for the Hungarian sentence) .. I hope one day, aptitude will be usable^^ |
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Posted: Apr 28, 2008 - 02:54 PM
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Posted: Apr 28, 2008 - 03:16 PM
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| [Hun]Hmm értem. Én itt születtem, és hát hogy is fogalmazzak, elég fiatal vagyok ..főleg ha hozzád mérve tekintjük. Ha 89-ben jöttél át , akkor..hűh.. szóval ..jahm.. [/hun] (okay I'm really offtopic..sorry for talking in HUN, I stop iŧ^^) |
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Posted: Apr 28, 2008 - 04:49 PM
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honorshark wrote:
[Hun]Hmm értem. Én itt születtem, és hát hogy is fogalmazzak, elég fiatal vagyok ..főleg ha hozzád mérve tekintjük. Ha 89-ben jöttél át , akkor..hűh.. szóval ..jahm.. [/hun] (okay I'm really offtopic..sorry for talking in HUN, I stop iŧ^^)
ahh, at first I was wondering what that was all about |
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