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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: could this be a solution?
 Posted: Jan 28, 2008 - 12:17 AM
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h2 wrote:
The mark is not damaged or furthered at all by this discussion or these practices. The inner quality of the slh kernel, the system scripts, the fll tools, is what is promoting sidux, not the ks or s or S. Anyway, I guess this is life in the free software world...
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Posted: Jan 28, 2008 - 02:06 AM
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Hello slam,
I understand your point of view, but I have some questions:
Would you choose a distro because of a funny spelling?
Would you recommend a distro because it uses unusual inflection in the manual?
Do you like to have users who choose a distro because of such a criterion?
Is sidux really so defenseless, that it needs this?
If you 'love to be different', think about your target group:
In which respect will they appreciate 'being different' most? Maybe there are people, who get attracted by a 'hip' atmosphere. Do you want this kind of user? At least I am more old-fashioned and prefer speed, credibleness, reliability, usability and so on. So if your target group is like this, and you think marketing is necessary, marketing efforts should transport these ideas.
One reason for me using kanotix some years ago, was its reputation for an extremely friendly and helpful community, also setting up a dsl connection was extremely easy in comparison to Suse. THESE were marketing values.
You talk about brand-name, protection, marketing budget, etc.
This sounds somehow commercial to me. Are there commercial intentions or plans with sidux by the developers? I wouldnt reject this, but users and especially contributers should know about it.
I admit, that for a product, there is not only the product itself, but also 'soft' things like product-name, image, community, color, etc.
Regarding the effect you wish, the problem is, you cannot be sure. (if you could guarantee and if I were you, I would sell my computer, become marketing director and get rich 
There are 3 possibilities:
- Works as you hope. But the effect of these 'tricks', if any, cannot be bigger than the quality of the product itself.
- no effect at all. Then, why arguing?
- Works, but in the wrong direction, as it looks ridiculous, ugly, whatever. shit happens in marketing and one doesn't know in advance.
I dont know whether you are a marketing expert, but if you constructed your marketing ideas in the ivory tower, it would be advisable to ask a native speaker in advance.
Btw I havnt heard about a marketing idea, which works over the whole world identically (apart from 'sex sells' maybe). Usually there are big differences because of culture, language, etc.
Even if it works as you hope, it is the character of trendy things to become old-fasioned and boring. Will there be a time where you spell 'sidux' like 'S-i-D-u-X' or 'xudis', to be different again?
I hope sidux will mature further. If you then still think, marketing efforts are necessary, there still will be enough time. No need to be hasty or narrow now.
Last point:
maslot couldnt guess this. He did his job. I think you or the sidux-Team could have told him your ideas/intentions in a more friendly and detailed way.
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: could this be a solution?
Posted: Jan 28, 2008 - 05:02 AM
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sidux™ (or sidux®) should remain as it is in any given language ----- I think that a young and not well known trade mark needs special protection in order to become better known and more spread. It must look different ---- We do not have the marketing budget other Linux distributions can rely on, so we need to use different methods to get known. Preserving the brand name against all grammatical rules is one of those methods.
I agree with this, sidux is Different, like sid, I can't see the fuss here at all
You say tomatoes, I say tomotoes !
Is it pop or soda ?
I need a printer with lots of paper for more examples,, I won't comment on this topic no more, makes no sense |
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Posted: Jan 28, 2008 - 11:16 AM
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michaa wrote:
I know, but what do you say about people who use the form "linuxa"? How much is this used. And is it something which is accepted or at least tolerated by few, much or most people? Does the accepance grow?
Generally there is tendency to make words borrowed from other languages more "polish" e.g. "server" -> "serwer". I think "linux" goes the same way. You should understand that word mutations are in polish very common like in my example Toyota - Toyocie.
slam wrote:
@maslot: If you are actually interested in a conversation and finding a resolution for this problem together, please join the team at the IRC #sidux-docs, which is the proper place to do so.
Greetings,
Chris
Thank you for your invitation. The problem is not new. I discussed this matter with bluewater a few times. Apparently my arguments were insufficient. I can't find any others. I don't want to waste your precious time, so I give up. You can do with my translation what you want - it's open source. |
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Posted: Jan 28, 2008 - 11:44 AM
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Some very principled stands here - h2 seems to be the only one with common sense - threads like this don't do anything to win people over to a new 'brand'
BTW - on Start page :
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sidux is an operating system based on the Linux kernel, Debian's most modern branch (called "Sid") and many free and open source applications.
Who is "Sid" - can't find him anywhere in Debian? Must be really modern
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Posted: Jan 28, 2008 - 12:09 PM
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Posted: Jan 28, 2008 - 03:34 PM
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hubi - yes, no problem with sid, it's this chap "Sid" that I can't find.
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Posted: Jan 28, 2008 - 04:15 PM
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Posted: Jan 28, 2008 - 04:30 PM
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@ piper
You example meets the point 0%. Nobody is or was talking about changing "sidux" to whatever. The whole case is about the cases
where "sidux" is used in continuous text in a declined form (which due to different grammar for english speaking people may be a problem to understand).
@ all
Since this night it seems the issue has been decided by the sidux team. I think the discussion in this thread is really a bad example how to communicate with people. It was the first step to make sidux diffrent - at a high price.
And if the decision really is like posted in the IRC, then this would be the next step to be different from what had been community.
I had a very bad feeling yesterday night. I do not care much about names, artwork or look. Nevertheless "hot and spicy" is something I can live with and appreciate.
But yesterday I felt sidux has lost much part of his/her/its charme. For the first time I thought: That's not mine (anymore) but yours only. |
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Posted: Jan 28, 2008 - 04:53 PM
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hubi - you're using common sense - a dangerous thing as principles seem more important here - I hope Debian have some common sense and don't get annoyed at "Sid"
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Posted: Jan 28, 2008 - 04:56 PM
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Posted: Jan 28, 2008 - 05:06 PM
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xadras wrote:
http://manual.sidux.com/en/siduxcc-en.htm#siduxcc
please remove the passage about the network-kioslave. It's no longer part of the siduxcc.
Done for German manual, uploaded to svn.
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Posted: Jan 30, 2008 - 03:47 PM
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Posted: Feb 01, 2008 - 01:48 AM
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Posted: Feb 07, 2008 - 07:54 PM
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bluewater wrote:
BTW, where is the search function script you promised me? grins
I didnt promise or pretended to have search function. I just thought it would be a nice idea. Do you have one ?
But I have a workaround, exploiting the site-function in google.
If you put the file SidManDe.xml in the ~/.mozilla/firefox/xxxx.default/searchplugins directory with
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<SearchPlugin xmlns="http://www.mozilla.org/2006/browser/search/">
<ShortName>de: sidux Manual</ShortName>
<Description>sidux Manual Search via Google</Description>
<InputEncoding>UTF-8</InputEncoding>
<Image width="16" height="16">data:image/x-icon;base64,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==</Image>
<Url type="application/x-suggestions+json" method="GET" template="http://suggestqueries.google.com/complete/search?output=firefox&
client=iceweasel&qu={searchTerms site:sidux.com}"/>
<Url type="text/html" method="GET" template="http://www.google.com/search">
<Param name="q" value="{searchTerms}"/>
<Param name="ie" value="utf-8"/>
<Param name="oe" value="utf-8"/>
<Param name="aq" value="t"/>
<Param name="as_sitesearch" value="manual.sidux.com/de"/>
<!-- Dynamic parameters -->
<Param name="rls" value="{moz:distributionID}:{moz:locale}:{moz:official}"/>
<MozParam name="client" condition="defaultEngine" trueValue="iceweasel-a" falseValue="iceweasel"/>
</Url>
<SearchForm>http://www.google.com/</SearchForm>
</SearchPlugin>
you can search the german manual via google in firefox.
I dont remember, but I think I mainly added the line
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<Param name="as_sitesearch" value="manual.sidux.com/de"/>
to another searchmachine file. I also changed <ShortName>,
<Description> and <Image>, so it is easy to adapt to another language, if there is demand.
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