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Post subject: The realms of Debian
 Posted: Mar 17, 2007 - 08:01 PM
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Post subject: The realms of Debian
Posted: Mar 17, 2007 - 09:39 PM
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The story goes something like this:
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Curiously the villagers were watching the newcomer.
As usual they began wildcatting about where he did come from.
Was he a wanderer between the worlds? Did he come from another part of the linux world? Was he forced to leave his home or did he do it voluntarily? Some even rumored he came straight from the void between the OS worlds and Debian would be the first nation he ever entered.
Although this seemed to be unlikely it was not impossible and happend once in a while, more frequently in recent times.
Maybe he was yet living in another part of Debian.
Just one thing was clear: he wanted to find a new home and he came to consult the great Oracle of Incoming. Already the gates of the temple opened in front of him, showing the inscription "Time is a neverending upstream" - and a little hesitantly he entered. Instantly the gates closed behind him and the villagers were left alone in their speculations.
The inside of the temple revealed one huge hall and at its far end the archpriestess was sitting in a meditative pose. On her forehead there was a tattoo showing a margenta colored whirl and beside her rested the two holy animals of the temple: the GNU and the penguin. "Come closer" she spoke in a friendly voice and the stranger was surprised for he had expected a somewhat more mysterious tone - but the wise woman talked to him in a casual and friendly voice. "So you want some advice from me where in our beautiful nation you shall settle down?".
"Yes great Oracle. Debian really pleases me a lot, the frankness and the freedom of this people deeply impressed me. Furthermore the many wonders I was able to see here. Yet I am uncertain where in this great nation I should find a home. Debian is huge and the number of its realms is hard to overlook and each of them is different. Please tell me which realm is the best? Where can I confidently settle down?"
The aged woman let out a guffaw and the walls of the hall slightly shivered. Fearfully the stranger retreated one step backwards.
"Debian has numerous realms as you just said" the priestess replied. "Do you think there would be so many if there was just one realm that's the best for everybody?"
"I see" - the stranger's voice lowered a little - "then please tell me which is the best realm just for me?"
- "This question can best be answered by yourself."
- "But you are the Oracle! So don't you know which of the realms holds my destiny?"
Again the priestess laughed but this time more softly and with a friendly and knowing undertone.
"I am the Oracle of Debian. I see things long before anybody else in Debian catches sight of them. However the destiny of every individual only the individual can determine. Nonetheless I suppose I can help you in finding your new home. [...]
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Please feel free to correct and to translate the rest of the story  . |
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Post subject: translation
Posted: Mar 30, 2007 - 12:29 AM
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OK, a foolish attempt by an American to translate the rest of the story. Feel free to correct any or all of my mistakes 
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Here is a parable about some of the realms, about their
structure and characteristics. Naturally I cannot show you all the
realms while we are inside this temple. You must decide where on Debian you would like to dwell in the future. This is not a decision I can make for you.
Far to the south is the realm Stabilitia, a very strong and
stable realm. Stabilitia is a gigantic fortress, which is almost
bulletproof -- for generations it has resisted attackers and the ravages
of nature. This security has its price: Innovations appear very slowly
in this realm. At the beginning of each release Stabilitia is updated,
but these innovations are already outdated. That is because the
inhabitants of Stabilitia examine all plans and handiwork until they
find them perfect and reliable.
Near the coast of Stabilitia lie the islands of the Testing bay.
It may be very enticing to choose a home there. Unlike Stabilitia, there
is active trade here. One has more new experiences but nevertheless
enjoys a certain stability. Any imported product is examined, but not
quite as extensively as in Stabilitia. Be aware, compromise is not
always the correct solution. Those who dwell in Testing may find
security (which could be a false security). The firm earth underfoot
provides some safety, but careless inhabitants often drown near their
island.
There is also the huge, powerful ocean that boils like a
cauldron with thousands of miracles, so great that many cannot believe
it: Mortals also live there in Sid. These are the three most important realms of Debian.
"OK", said the foreigner, "How about the Ubuntu realm? I heard
it is also large and powerful and is growing." Ubuntu? But you asked me
only for the realms of Debian. The stranger look astonished. "But Ubuntu
is in Debian, isn't it?" The seer spoke again. "Geographically it is. But Ubuntu is its own nation, even though it could not exist without Debian. It is an artificial island, which has a large brown glass globe completely shielding it from the world. Just twice a year swarms of boats row out and get themselves goods from different parts of Debian. Ubuntu has its own language and culture. These are different from all other parts of
Debian. That's why it is often difficult for Ubuntu to use any commodity. The inhabitants of the island Ubuntu live in their world, which seems safe and stable because of the glass globe. But do not forget: Glass can break."
Here is a choice: If a stable realm is most important to you
and it does not matter if it lags behind behind the other realms, then
select Stabilitia as your new homeland.
If you want to be more current and up to date but still solid,
and you also want to acquire new and dynamic knowledge without leaving
firm ground, then build a home on the islands of the Testing bay.
If you don't want to be on the mainland but want to use newer
things than in Stabilitia, sometimes even more modern than in the
Testing bay, then you can select Ubuntu.
Do you want to learn the newest things, and be prepared to use
your knowledge? Are you less rigid and more dynamic? The dynamics
dictates a life of landing on rough water. You need the sailor's blood
in your veins. The traveler was surprised. "This rough water is not
passable, without dying sooner or later in it! At least the people say
that. "Now,", the seer answered. "That is not completely wrong. Mortals
cannot sail on these rough waters in an ordinary boat. Only with a sidux
ship is this possible." - "sidux? I have heard of it, but only rumors. You
can really sail on the moving Ocean? "- "Oh. Very well. Naturally you
may never forget that you are in rough waters."
If you are too daring and jump over the railing into the rough
waters, you may drown. But if you always rely on the experienced sailors
and travel on established routes, you are just as safe on board a sidux
ship as in every other realm of Debian. And you experience the greatest
liberty you could imagine. You can do what you want. You can easily drop
anchor, and make your ship a houseboat. But be careful: if you haven't
been in the roughest waters for a while, don't venture there. The charms, which are woven into the ship's planks, lose their magic, if they were not washed around often by Sid's energy. The ship could sink if it sails again into rougher waters.
Be careful of the experimental archipelago. The miracles you can
see there are even greater, but weigh whether the high price, which you
could pay for it, is worth it. The islands of the archipelago lie in the
eternal fog. You can never say whether a passage is safe, or you will
smash in the next moment at a reef.
A sidux ship is for rough waters. It uses Sid's energy when
moving straight ahead, and also is protected by this energy. A small
leak which results from one wave, can be closed on the next wave. The
ship always sails straight ahead. Even with a jerky wave the course is
usually very pleasant and calm on board. If it becomes too jerky, then
take the advice of the experienced crew, and you come through safely.
Suddenly the gates of the temple opened again as though from the hand of a spirit. The seer pointed to the exit and spoke: "I have now
told you everything you need to know. Make your own decision." |
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Post subject: RE: translation
Posted: Mar 30, 2007 - 11:16 AM
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Hey BlueShadow, cool map and story, once translated (wish I could read German). This would be great to use in talks the likes of what Cleary did in Australia recently, a nice graphical description of the Debian setup and where we fit in. Can imagine a slide projection of the map, perhaps redone a bit with more colour and maybe a sea monster
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Post subject: RE: translation
Posted: Mar 31, 2007 - 07:23 AM
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| That was cool, and in a neat way, entertainigly informative |
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Post subject: RE: translation
Posted: Mar 31, 2007 - 12:16 PM
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| Very well written. This is the type of article I think would fit perfect in the magazine that is supposed to be forming, but making little progress due to lack of communication between the volunteers. |
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Post subject: RE: translation
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 - 10:55 PM
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| ohoho what magazine? Very cool pic and article. |
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Post subject: RE: translation
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 - 11:48 AM
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craigevil: Thanks for bumping a thread a year old.
Now, there is SpicyNews, see Tartie's thread.
I don't think the story ever made it in, but it sure pissed off some Debian guys. |
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Posted: Mar 19, 2008 - 01:05 PM
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I am surprised it didn't piss off more ubuntu marauders  |
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Posted: Mar 19, 2008 - 07:40 PM
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sidux users seem to be no better than Debian users.
Always making fun of Ubuntu.
Why do you not realize that Ubuntu plays a significant role in promoting Linux even if it twists Debian ?
I had started with it, I still use it. It is not a bad OS. Beginners can not use sidux. Why should it be wrong to use an OS that is easy to use ? Everyone is not passionate about Linux.
But I liked the story. Enjoyed it.
Was the first translation done by some software ? |
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Posted: Mar 19, 2008 - 08:27 PM
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dptxp wrote:
Why do you not realize that Ubuntu plays a significant role in promoting Linux even if it twists Debian ?
That's the point. Maybe some people don't like it if their efforts are forked every six months by a company driven distribution.
Of course it is legal as is CentOS. But Red Hat did everything to have anything removed from CentOS which bears the name or logos of Red Hat.
And there is the iirc still open question why was Etch released with Gnome 2.14 and Feisty with Gnome 2.18. There are still people out there who think that the maintainers who work for Canonical as well might have sabotaged that even Gnome 2.16 enters Etch.
So ... there is bad blood around. And Shuttleworth knows that (if you understand the language of diplomacy):
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Consider Sid. Yes, it breaks your toys now and then, but by and large it represents an extraordinary achievement - pretty much the latest releases of the upstream communities, packaged and categorised. Nothing else, from Ubuntu or Red Hat or Novell (or Microsoft) comes anywhere close. Debian Developers are at their happiest running and working on Sid - a recent survey found that something like 76% of Debian users run Sid, while only something like 6% of Ubuntu users run the equivalent beta code. And remember, Ubuntu only has an Edgy or an Edgy+1 because of Sid. When I look at the ebb and flow of discussions on the Debian mailing lists, I see that Sid is in fact where the very best of Debian comes forth. It’s forward looking, it’s focused on the next generation, it requires exceptional skill and up to date technical knowledge to participate, and it’s not subject to the same political tradeoffs that are inevitable when dealing with releases, architectures, dates, deliverables, translation, documentation and so on.
It is from there.
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Posted: Mar 19, 2008 - 08:27 PM
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Hm.. does the story really sound that bad for ubuntu or debian?
It was never my intention to piss off anyone!
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Why do you not realize that Ubuntu plays a significant role in promoting Linux even if it twists Debian ?
I don't understand this sentence. Well, there ARE some forum members(not me) that dislike Ubuntu. But they are totally aware about this significant role (ask them if you don't believe me).
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Beginners can not use sidux.
Sorry, this is simply not true.
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Why should it be wrong to use an OS that is easy to use ?
Of course there is nothing wrong about this. And no sidux user really can have such an opinion, because actually sidux is also very easy to use.
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Was the first translation done by some software ?
ouch. you better hope spacepenguin will never look into this thread again |
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Posted: Mar 19, 2008 - 08:31 PM
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dptxp wrote:
sidux users seem to be no better than Debian users.
Always making fun of Ubuntu.
...and ubuntu users/lovers seem to always defend ubuntu by making statements about how ubuntu is soo much better at something than another distro. Essentially making fun of the other distro while claiming they are upset that someone has made fun of ubuntu.
Beginners can use whatever they want to use. Flunking school is easier than passing but I don't know many that choose that 'easy' path. Some want more than just 'easy' anyway. Where is the sense of accomplishment in something easy? Canned food is easier than cooking but I don't know of many people that would choose canned food over a home cooked meal. 'Easy' is over-rated.
IMO ubuntu is no easier than a hundred other distros out there. Ubuntu is different. That is all. I will always point out the differences in things - take it as 'making fun' of something if you wish.
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Posted: Mar 19, 2008 - 09:00 PM
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dptxp wrote:
...Beginners can not use sidux. Why should it be wrong to use an OS that is easy to use ? ...
that is, imho, wrong!
you know, i have started with as a "noob" once with mandrake, have had a glimpse at suse, then knoppix, then went back to M$ XP, then tried (k)ubuntu but liked kanotix more, and then i was using sidux from the first release on. i count myself as a advanced beginner in linux...
it was alway very simple to use sidux. no comparison to other distros!
installation? easy!
maintenance? easy!
solving issues? (almost every time) easy!
really, as a beginner you just MUST NOT be silly;
that means, DONT think that shall and will work like in M$ or any other distribution (besides debian sid)...
-> read the manual, read the forum, try it out on live-cd, install it to hdd and be proud to run a great linux distribution...
but beginners just don't chose the easy way... they switch their brains off and do it the M$ way, or the suse way, or the ubuntu way... and then they cry how difficult that all is and blame not themselves, but sidux. all i can say - that is STUPID!
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A friend of mine, a VISTA user, gamer precisely, switched to a dual-boot installation with sidux.
I suggested him to switch to Mepis, that I consider SimpliX, the simpler debian kde distro.
But he liked some emails of mine about sidux and wanted to begin from it.
He is wondered!
He enjoy sidux from a week without a problem that he can't solve alone.
He asked me only for a GRUB problem that hide the win partition, that is all!
sidux is great! Debian is my land! I walk now on the Testing Bay, but I started my journey from Ubuntu, the best marketing for linux!
I use sidux in virtualbox since november, with one week of main system experience.
Simply Wonderful!
But, for now, I'm looking for more quite.
I recomend sidux! |
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