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Post subject: sysv-freeze
 Posted: Feb 03, 2007 - 09:10 PM
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| I think that sysv-freeze would be a handy addition to the final release. |
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Post subject: sysv-freeze
Posted: Feb 05, 2007 - 02:45 PM
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| think that should be an option, but I think slh and h2 said something about not having the freeze/unfreeze thing as it was causing some confusion. |
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Post subject: RE: sysv-freeze
Posted: Feb 05, 2007 - 05:16 PM
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Post subject: RE: sysv-freeze
Posted: Feb 05, 2007 - 06:39 PM
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| I like it as well. It makes managing a debian system easy for a noob like me. |
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Post subject: RE: sysv-freeze
Posted: Feb 05, 2007 - 07:42 PM
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I hate it, makes support a constant headache.
But, given that other people like it, that's just one opinion. Freeze stuff is the first stuff I remove in any installed system, so maybe it's better to have it than not have it, since it's easier to get rid of it if you know you don't like it [apt-get install sysv-rc-conf kills freeze] than it is for a new user to realize they need freeze and install it.
However, I have noticed that every user who installed sysv-rc-conf was really happy with it, and usually ended up solving their problem related to freeze right away. |
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Post subject: RE: sysv-freeze
Posted: Feb 06, 2007 - 09:31 AM
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| I always though sysv-rc-conf was just for configuring the *current* rc-links (so basically a ui for "ln -s" and "rm"). How could it possibly substitute freeze-rc? |
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Post subject: RE: sysv-freeze
Posted: Feb 06, 2007 - 07:39 PM
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I always hated du's running services and daemons by default.Freeze stops it for me.
Plus,one more step for an intruder to deal with. |
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Post subject: RE: sysv-freeze
Posted: Feb 06, 2007 - 08:38 PM
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severin, not a substitute, a complete removal of that feature.
But, as we can see from this thread, many people like the freeze feature. I dislike it, since it has always simply complicated my life. |
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Post subject: RE: sysv-freeze
Posted: Feb 06, 2007 - 10:35 PM
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| I think freeze is a very handy feature for I don't have to clean up the services after each d-u. I hope I can use it with sidux too. People who don't like it simply can leave the system unfreezed. |
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Post subject: RE: sysv-freeze
Posted: Feb 11, 2007 - 01:33 AM
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sysv-freeze will only be safe to use if someone takes care of it. Currently, no person has put their hand up to continue to care for it and make sure it is always working safely.
It touches on an absolutely crucial aspect of any debian system; sysv-init. So whoever cares for it must be dedicated to following changes in debian's init system.
Any volenteers? |
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Post subject: RE: sysv-freeze
Posted: Mar 11, 2007 - 12:37 AM
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$ apt-cache show sysv-freeze
Package: sysv-freeze
Status: install ok installed
Priority: extra
Section: admin
Installed-Size: 40
Maintainer: Stefan Lippers-Hollmann <slh>
Architecture: all
Version: 0.2.4-6
Depends: sysvinit (>= 2.86), sysv-rc, perl
Description: freeze/ unfreeze your rc-configuration
The script "freeze-rc.d" can be used to freeze the current rc- configuration
and prohibit installed, but deactivated services from being activated.
Before an apt-get (dist-)upgrade you can execute freeze-rc.d to save your
current rc-configuration to /etc/frozen-rc.d, after the (dist-)upgrade
"unfreeze-rc.d" can be started to release the lock.
Hm so I take it that was a Kanotix package that I still have installed?
I think it is a very nice idea, probably saves a lot of problems especially for newbies that do not want all kinds of services running that they don't know about. |
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