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Post subject: A thought about what is right or wrong advices in a thread.
 Posted: Oct 04, 2008 - 09:29 PM
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I was just looking briefly through the forum as I do quite often.
When I red this thread http://sidux.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-12812.html i thought about one thing.
In this thread there is a newcomer here on sidux asking a question and he gets some answers. If you look at the thread you will see one user telling that it's all right to use xmms from etch and then after, another user telling "Please do NOT use etch binaries."
I have been here nearly from the beginning, I know that the later "advice" above is coming from one of the developers and for me thats the advice to follow.
Is this an issue, all of us can and are aloud to give the advices we want to, and also to tell our experiences in different matters, and that is how it should be I think? But in the thread above, how shall a newcomer be able to choose from different advices and how shall he or she know which users have the best knowledge?
Would it be an idea that for example it would be possible to see who is a developer in the forum, so that their "advices" could be differed from others, or do somebody have an other idea about this?
I'm aware that in this forum there are a lot of people who are not developers and that have a very good knowledge in a lot of things so I'm not saying that only developers know everything, but anyway, this is what I thought about this matter.
(I hope as always that I manage to make my point in English, I'm not that good i languages really.) |
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Post subject: RE: A thought about what is right or wrong advices in a thr
Posted: Oct 04, 2008 - 09:59 PM
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Are you serious? I could not care whoever's random advice someone follows, but at least take whatever program you want from an archive that is compatible with current Debian sid.
An archive that was frozen many years ago is not compatible with Debian sid. |
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Posted: Oct 04, 2008 - 10:24 PM
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There are also cases where certain apps like this just aren't available in Sid.
It has also been recommended on this forum not to compile either, to use binaries instead.
So in such a case, where it comes to a choice between compiling or running an Etch binary which is the better option?
And no, in many cases, making do without isn't the answer.
Personally, I use the virtualbox non-ose Etch debs and have for some time (I haven't actually checked if there is a Sid version recently).
To me it is a better option than compiling which is more effort and involves installing tons of dev stuff.
(And I'm not advising anyone else to do this, just saying which option I personally choose). |
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Posted: Oct 04, 2008 - 10:45 PM
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I think the point he's making is that there is currently no way for a new user to rate the quality of advice given from multiple replies.
Those who are active within the community generally know who the developers are and can make that judgement call themselves.
This topic was actually covered a while ago by xadras I believe, and a custom forum usertitle was implemented: "Team Member" which could be applied upon request by the individual devs. See http://www.sidux.com/index.php?name=PNp ... ght=#96666 for example
Anyway, the decision to use this or not is completely up to the dev, and many have chosen not to apply it. |
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Posted: Oct 05, 2008 - 04:55 AM
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cleary wrote:
I think the point he's making is that there is currently no way for a new user to rate the quality of advice given from multiple replies.
Those who are active within the community generally know who the developers are and can make that judgement call themselves.
This topic was actually covered a while ago by xadras I believe, and a custom forum usertitle was implemented: "Team Member" which could be applied upon request by the individual devs. See http://www.sidux.com/index.php?name=PNp ... ght=#96666 for example
Anyway, the decision to use this or not is completely up to the dev, and many have chosen not to apply it.
Ah, thanks. It seems i made an ass of myself by not understanding the original post. This just goes to show, even if there is a "Team Member" string attached to each of my posts it would not make it any more worthwhile to read it  |
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Posted: Oct 05, 2008 - 11:17 AM
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Ah, thanks. It seems i made an ass of myself by not understanding the original post. This just goes to show, even if there is a "Team Member" string attached to each of my posts it would not make it any more worthwhile to read it Smile
As I wrote, it's not so easy always to make my point in a foreign language, thanks cleary for helping me out and @ kelmo
But I disagree with you there kelmo, I think it's a value to see if an advice comes from a team member. |
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Posted: Oct 05, 2008 - 05:47 PM
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| I'm gonna delete your double post, and have a rethink about the team member forum thing |
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Posted: Oct 06, 2008 - 10:40 AM
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Well... no one can hinder a user from installing an etch .deb.
And in general most posts we do here are based on personal expirience and opinion.
And if i say "i tested this and it works for me" it is clear that the devs need not agree with me in terms of long-time manageability, problems that may come and so on.
so my personal expierience is no real indicator if something is a good idea or it is not!
That is something a user must know...along with the fact that etch binaries in sid are no good idea in most cases.
Sure, its convenient and it may work.
But in the next greater transition, problems are sure.
Newer libraries, compiler versions, ABI changes and so on. (We already hat this stuff at the GCC3 to GCC4-transition for example)
So i guess its not only a matter of "marking" the ppl. here as devs or not, but rather of some basic rules, that newbies must learn and then decide by themself if they want to take the risk or not. It's their own System after all...
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Posted: Oct 06, 2008 - 12:07 PM
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@ GeOrgy
I think thats another issue. All of us are aloud to play around with our boxes as much as we want to, it's up to e each user to decide if he or she wants to try something new or follow an advice from the forum. But as have been written many times before, if you do things out of the sidux way then you are on your own and can't expect suport from the sidux team.
The people who best know the sidux way must be the sidux team, therefore I expect that an advice from a team member is an advice you can follow without loosing the sidux way on your system. Therefore I think it's a good idea to be able to see that this advice is from a team member.
And again, this doesn't mean that there is no good advices from non team members. |
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Posted: Oct 06, 2008 - 05:16 PM
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The sidux team voted about this very topic, and the majority wanted the "Team Member" mark to be opt-in based. So, it's up to every team member to decide if he wants it or not. Looks like most of them actually do not like it, which makes me thinking about removing it from my name, too. I do not want to give the impression to be somewhat outstanding here, because - as already mentioned - there are a lot of very clever and experienced non-team members around here, giving excellent advise, many of them being much more patient and hand-holding than me.
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Posted: Oct 06, 2008 - 05:39 PM
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Most sidux users, however inexperienced they may be, are mature enough and intelligent enough not to provide wrong information. But we may not be updated all the time and there are changes.
Every false or old information is, however, certainly going to be corrected (or followed by a better one if one exists).
If something is working fine, let us not change it unless we are sure that it will not be for worse.
As far as the "Team Member" mark is concerned, the sidux team wanted it as an option because some did not want it. It is just a personal preference, sometimes there is no reason.
As far as slam is concerned, one does not have to see the "Team Member" mark, his posts bear the mark in bold letters, highlighted. Honestly I had never noticed the mark till date. But slam, please keep it. |
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Posted: Oct 06, 2008 - 08:14 PM
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| When I noticed that a lot of "Team Member" marks did vanish I thought of a drastic team shrinkage - good to know it isn't. |
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Posted: Oct 06, 2008 - 08:43 PM
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spacepenguin wrote:
When I noticed that a lot of "Team Member" marks did vanish I thought of a drastic team shrinkage - good to know it isn't.
I agree with you spacepenguin, luckily they are still here |
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Posted: Oct 06, 2008 - 09:38 PM
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Posted: Oct 07, 2008 - 08:11 AM
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zulu9 wrote:
there is a list of team-members at the end of the release notes for every release:
http://sidux.com/Article454.html
The list is categorized so you also get a raw impression which member does what.
unfortunaly three members of vital support are read very infrequent here with their advices. |
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