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vinoman
Post subject: upgrading to KDE 4.1  PostPosted: Jul 18, 2008 - 11:36 AM



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When KDE 4.1 comes out soon, will this be part of a d-u or will we be able to install it separately?

How would I go about installing KDE 4.1 when it comes out?
 
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Post subject: RE: upgrading to KDE 4.1  PostPosted: Jul 18, 2008 - 12:08 PM



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I'm not sure how long KDE 4.x will stay in experimental, but I guess at least until Debian Lenny ships.
Until then you can install it from the experimental repositories.
Just follow this guide: http://sidux.com/index.php?module=pnWikka&tag=KDE4

I'm currently using 4.1rc1 with a few remaining KDE3 apps (amarok, k3b). Works just fine!
 
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Post subject: Re: upgrading to KDE 4.1  PostPosted: Jul 18, 2008 - 01:01 PM



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vinoman wrote:
When KDE 4.1 comes out soon, will this be part of a d-u or will we be able to install it separately?
Latest discussion at Debian was, that KDE 4 will be an option with Lenny. So I expect KDE 4 as option in Sid first, and after the release I expect metapackages for the transition which will be used for the Lenny+1 release.

Debian always provides upgrade paths, and they hit Sid first. But don't expect them before the release of Sid for KDE 4.

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vinoman
Post subject:   PostPosted: Jul 18, 2008 - 01:05 PM



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Once you go to KDE 4.1 can you still have KDE 3.5.9 available to use or not?

I'll wait until Dedian releases 4.1 and it's in sidux repos.

If 4.1 comes out August 1, how long does it take for Debian to release it?
 
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Zapp!
Post subject: Re: upgrading to KDE 4.1  PostPosted: Jul 18, 2008 - 01:27 PM



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hubi wrote:
Latest discussion at Debian was, that KDE 4 will be an option with Lenny.

Where's that from? Last thing I know is this:
http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-g ... -in-lenny/
So Lenny will ship with KDE 3.5.9 plus 4.1 libraries for development and backports for the 4.1 desktop will be made available:
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermai ... 00973.html

vinoman wrote:
If 4.1 comes out August 1, how long does it take for Debian to release it?

The Debian KDE Team usually is quite fast, I expect the packages will be ready on the 4.1 release date (look here: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ ), but they won't enter Sid, before Lenny is released.
 
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Post subject: Re: upgrading to KDE 4.1  PostPosted: Jul 18, 2008 - 03:17 PM



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Zapp! wrote:
hubi wrote:
Latest discussion at Debian was, that KDE 4 will be an option with Lenny.

Where's that from?

Ah, you are right, it is undecided again:
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* The KDE team is continuing to prepare packages for KDE4.1 development
releases. The first beta has just been uploaded to experimental and
user are encouraged to test it [KDE41]. Please note that we haven't
decided yet on the inclusion of KDE4.1 in lenny, but plan to do so
in the near future.


In March they wanted to include it.

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Post subject:   PostPosted: Jul 19, 2008 - 03:35 AM



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vinoman wrote:
I'll wait until Dedian releases 4.1 and it's in sidux repos.


sidux is going to host kde 4.1 in it's repos?

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Post subject:   PostPosted: Jul 19, 2008 - 05:44 AM
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no, we wont.
vinoman ment sid repos, i guess.

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Post subject:   PostPosted: Jul 19, 2008 - 10:59 AM



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Some new info about kde4.1 in sid and experimental:

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Debian packages for KDE 4.1, KOffice alpha9 and more

In the beginning of this week, KDE 4.1 RC 1 was released and, of course, there are Debian packages since the release day. The instructions I blogged about how to install the beta1 (and downgrade) still mostly apply, although the version of the KDE 4 RC1 is 4.0.98.

The Debian KDE Team website has finally been updated, so you have even more useful information about how to install KDE 4.1 packages from experimental, specially the bits about Apt Pinning.

kdeplasmoids has been renamed, again, and it is now named kdeplasma-addons, this means it is currently stuck at the NEW queue in Debian. I do not know when it will be available in the archive, but luckily current version of kdeplasmoids (post beta 2), works well with the RC 1 packages, you can use it until kdeplasmoids is accepted.
The important part about RC 1 in Debian is we finally have kde4libs, kdepimlibs and kdebase-runtime in unstable, and they are meant to be released in Lenny.

Together with those packages, some KDE 4 applications have been uploaded to unstable:
- okular, the KDE 4 document viewer, has been packaged separately, and if you try it, I am sure you will love it Wink
- ktorrent 3.1.1 is now the default ktorrent version (you still can install KDE 3’s version that has been renamed to ktorrent2.2)
- and systemsettings, split from kdebase-workspace with less modules have been package separately, so you can configure the settings of KDE 4 packages.

Continuing with experimental, there are some standalone KDE 4 applications in experimental you might be interested in installing: yakuake, adept-manager, gtk-qt-engine-kde4, konq-plugins, rsibreak and digikam.

You can find as well, the 9th alpha of KOffice that was released a couple of days ago. If you need an excuse to try it out, take a look to the visual changelog.
If you are a Debian user and you have not tried KDE 4 yet but you are curious, I think you finally should give it a try, that some packages are in experimental it is not because it is experimental software (well, once KDE 4.1 is out!), it is because full KDE 4.1 is not meant to the be released in the Debian stable release that will be shipping KDE 3.5.9 and they both are not co-installable. There will be backports of KDE 4.1 for Lenny, but that is a topic for a next post.


http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/07/19/debian-packages-for-kde-41-koffice-alpha9-and-more/
 
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