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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: sidux, an alternative to ubuntu - review- Part 2
 Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 02:07 AM
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dsmithfx, kudos are well deserved for redirecting the focus of our forum commoners to more trivial things like the absence of a tangible plot in your posts. Though, I'm still a little confused with the context of meltdown; my laptop neither overheats or breaks from the results of a dist-upgrade. Not to mention, I've been notified many times in the past that my bad upgrade habits and X fetish would eventually destroy my installation of sidux.
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your fondness for obscurity and terseness, while admirable, sadly makes your desired point too elusive to try to unravel for my feeble mental resources.
I found this particular quote of h2 highly effective while unintentionally listening to psychedelic music, my 2c. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: sidux, an alternative to ubuntu - review- Pa
Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 02:15 AM
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damentz wrote:
while unintentionally listening to psychedelic music
I unearthed Primal Scream's "Vanishing Point" ... unless this is too modern and does not count as psychedelic ...  ... Great stuff tho ...
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: sidux, an alternative to ubuntu - review
Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 03:26 AM
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Considering my predilection for bringing together the old and the new, I am imagining multiple multi-colored screens displaying the effects of a Debian Sid DU meltdown (background scents hint of strawberry incense) while hearing in the background, the rock operatic intricacies of Frank Zappa's "Help I'm A Rock". (Yes, that's psychedelic.)
Now, somewhere during one of the high crescendos (in between the la la la la refrain and the part where the line "Help I'm a cop" gets repeated), the screens clear. On one screen the line from smxi that says, "Your dist-upgrade has completed without errors" appears. On the other screen, a single line, in italic font, somewhat in a purple haze reads, "sidux is STABLE Debian Sid, all newbians welcome, no meltdown here".
<Psychedelic>
How his naked ears were tortured by the sirens sweetly singing,
For the sparkling waves are calling you to kiss their white laced lips.
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: sidux, an alternative to ubuntu - review
Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 03:30 AM
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actually frank was explicitly NOT psychedelic, as he stated many times, he didn't even take acid, although speed was something he liked.
weird is not necessarily psychedelic, although much psychedelic stuff could be considered weird.
Otherwise cool ideas, heh. |
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Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 10:38 AM
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You guys are dweebs, not n00bs...
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: sidux, an alternative to ubuntu - review- Pa
Posted: Jul 15, 2008 - 05:40 PM
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damentz wrote:
dsmithfx, kudos are well deserved for redirecting the focus of our forum commoners to more trivial things like the absence of a tangible plot in your posts. Though, I'm still a little confused with the context of meltdown; my laptop neither overheats or breaks from the results of a dist-upgrade. Not to mention, I've been notified many times in the past that my bad upgrade habits and X fetish would eventually destroy my installation of sidux.
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your fondness for obscurity and terseness, while admirable, sadly makes your desired point too elusive to try to unravel for my feeble mental resources.
I found this particular quote of h2 highly effective while unintentionally listening to psychedelic music, my 2c.
Hell, it sent me off into psychelelic musing-land without music. But I enjoyed the ride. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: sidux, an alternative to ubuntu - review
Posted: Jul 16, 2008 - 01:10 AM
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Here's a precis for the intellectually-challenged, of which there seem to be several swarming this thread of late:
sidux is a very poor choice for people lacking in prior experience with the linux cli, don't know where xorg.conf and menu.lst live, don't know what 'root' is, and don't habitually spend well north of 30% of their precious time administering their system and monitoring a relatively obscure distro forum for d-u warnings and the attendant emergency fixes and script patches for when their system boots into a black screen.
Um, unless they bought support from the geezer what persuaded 'em to try it.
Gee, that's probably >99% of the human race, doncha think?
So... Let's lose the fanboi 'tude and get real, eh?
'Nuff said.
Er, and don't ask what a "precis" is... |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: sidux, an alternative to ubuntu - review
Posted: Jul 16, 2008 - 01:25 AM
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| dsmithhfx, no wonder I couldn't understand you, you weren't saying anything of substance. Did you just now discover that not every operating system is suited for every one? You're making some real progress here, congratulations, keep up the good work. Maybe next you'll learn how to read documentation and learn that the stuff you think is so hard is only hard if you want it to be, otherwise it's pretty easy. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: sidux, an alternative to ubuntu - review
Posted: Jul 16, 2008 - 01:29 AM
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>Did you just now discover that not every operating system is suited for every one?
What's that you say? sidux is not an alternative for Ubuntu?  They are designed for very different users? Eh? Speak up! |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: sidux, an alternative to ubuntu - re
Posted: Jul 16, 2008 - 02:15 AM
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dsmithhfx wrote:
sidux is a very poor choice for people lacking in prior experience with the linux cli
wrong
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don't know where xorg.conf and menu.lst live
wrong again
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don't know what 'root' is
wrong again... your statements seem to be kind of wrong on average...
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and don't habitually spend well north of 30% of their precious time administering their system and monitoring a relatively obscure distro forum for d-u warnings and the attendant emergency fixes and script patches for when their system boots into a black screen.
damn! wrong again!
q.e.d.
dsmithhfx, i'd like to suggest you the following website where you can read more about the evaluation methods i use:
http://lleo.aha.ru/na/en/ |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: sidux, an alternative to ubuntu
Posted: Jul 16, 2008 - 02:29 AM
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| Oooh... it's all wrong because... you said so! |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: sidux, an alternative to ubuntu
Posted: Jul 16, 2008 - 02:35 AM
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I thought this thread was a discussion of a review article.
I'm such a newb I can't even follow a thread correctly.
I've misunderstood the instructions again.
How could I ever expect to correctly use sidux?
Get a life somewhere else, dsmithhfx! You're completely exhausting to listen to.
Amenditman
A complete newb who started using sidux because of the 'review'.
No real problems here. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: sidux, an alternative to ubuntu
Posted: Jul 16, 2008 - 03:08 AM
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| Hell I'll agree to that. Dsmithhfx, your really acting like an ass. We understand you would prefer everybody else to be wrong in all regards concerning arguments with you. Is there a point to this? If you don't like sidux why are you here? And yes, your comments indicate your disaproval of sidux. I understand you believe you are making intelligent comments but you are not. You are being ambigious and devisive for some purpose that doesn't need to be represented here. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: sidux, an alternative to ubuntu
Posted: Jul 16, 2008 - 10:14 AM
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sidux is definitely not the right operating system for everyone - that's a fact. It's intended user groups are partially overlapping with the markets Canonical targets, but not identical.
We do have many newbie users at sidux, and take a lot of care for them. They are happy to be with us, while they are learning something new they like. sidux however is not a newbie specialized Linux distribution.
While we tolerate even political and other controversial topics, we will not accept personal insults, please everyone (re-)read our code of conduct.
Please find back to a constructive conversation, otherwise this topic will be closed.
Greetings,
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: sidux, an alternative to ubuntu - re
Posted: Jul 16, 2008 - 10:48 AM
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dsmithhfx wrote:
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sidux is a very poor choice for people lacking in prior experience with the linux cli, don't know where xorg.conf and menu.lst live, don't know what 'root' is, and don't habitually spend well north of 30% of their precious time administering their system and monitoring a relatively obscure distro forum for d-u warnings and the attendant emergency fixes and script patches for when their system boots into a black screen.
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So... Let's lose the fanboi 'tude and get real, eh?
There's one thing that Ubuntu has over sidux (AFAIK): it's possible to buy systems with Ubuntu pre-installed. That means that it's possible to buy a Linux based desktop without having to install the OS yourself, effectively putting Linux on par with Windows for a computer user who doesn't want to understand anything other than how to operate a few programs.
If the OS has to be installed by the user, then there's not much difference between Windows and Linux IMHO but it may well be that >99% of the human race has never attempted to try to install an OS. From those few that do install OSs you may expect a little interest in and understanding of computers. Say, enough to be more or less able to describe a problem and find resources to solve it.
It's essential though: some people only use computers for very limited purposes. All the administration has to be done by someone else, be it the IT department or a helpful neighbour. OTOH, computers have been quite common in the homes and workplaces for some 20 years and many people tinkered with them in various degrees, even without useful GUIs or on-line assistance. People have used the commandline routinely. People will find xorg.conf and menu.lst, just as they found config.sys, autoexec.bat or regedit.exe.
How much difference between Ubuntu and sidux, or Windows, is there really? Software stability? Rolling release? I don't know how rock solid Ubuntu is but since I haven't broken my sidux system in the 7 months that I'm using it, I suppose they're going strong too. Just haven't seen a new version of sidux since then, although the name on the download package changed, and I haven't personally applied fixes or patches either (well... I had to switch the sound back on when I installed the first 2.6.25 kernel  ). My dad's internet access disappeared last week due to the unfortunate combination of a Windows patch and the ZoneAlarm firewall. He's been running Windows XP for years and as far as he's concerned he'll "roll" a little while longer. The "root" and "administrator" accounts may be hidden on Ubuntu and default on on Windows XP (it used to be in AFAIK) but if that makes those systems better suitable for a newbie is arguable; it's not strange that Vista has brought UAC.
The "relatively obscure distro forum" is just that, obscure compared to the Buntu fora or all the on-line resources for other OSs but again not different. DU warnings are unfortunate, it's better to have nothing to warn about, but also fortunate: I don't have a son who fixes my system when it breaks, unlike my dad.
Don't get me wrong: no "fanboi 'tude" to lose here, I'll jump ship if this distro doesn't play nice with my system and preferences. I've recommended sidux to newbies and experienced Linux users alike based on my own experiences, which I wouldn't have if administration was difficult or time consuming. I can imagine situations where sidux isn't an alternative to Windows, OpenBSD, etc. but I don't see why sidux isn't an alternative to Ubuntu (or Fedora, OpenSuSE, etc.). |
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