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Post subject: grub installed to partition won't boot
 Posted: Jun 28, 2008 - 12:21 PM
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Hi et al,
Back in 3/08 I thought I had posted my views on
sidux-2008-01-200803010113-nyx_pre1-kde-lite-i386.iso
but I do not see my post. I will try again.
My local LUG ( http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/ )
encourages sidux use. I recently tried
sidux-2008-02-erebos-kde-lite-i386-200806252044.iso
Sadly, the new version has the same issues as the old version (above).
When installing, and selection install grub to the partition, after a successful 'installation complete' and editing the existing grub's menu.lst file which is pointing to the boot hard drive's MBR, when selected from the grub menu the sidux partition would not boot up. I wiped the sidux partition and tried again: it still would not boot when grub is selected to install to the partition. I checked the /boot subdirectory and the files stated in the menu.lst listing were there. My guess: something was boogered during the install because ...
Same as before, sidux would only boot if I selected install grub to the drive's MBR. I find this quite annoying as now I have to 'fix' the menu.lst in the SUDUX partition to now list and boot my other partitions.
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I also see sidux still does not have a decent package manager like synaptic, and relies on doing up dates in a CLI or manual way (IMHO that method is hokey).
I try many different distros to know what will be a good one to get windoze users to jump ship and try Linux (as a dual boot PC). If a distro does not make this easy, I do not encourage that distro's use (too hard, too much CLI, etc.). While I am quite versed with CLI, these noobs are not and will not even try a distro where the distro makes them work to get it working.
My PC is:
System (mobo) INTEL DG33FB X86-based PC
Processor (dual core) x86 Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 11 GenuineIntel ~2666 Mhz
RAM Memory 2Gb
Video: integrated 128Mb Intel G33/31
sda: sata 160Gb hard drive
sdb: pata 80Gb hard drive
sdc: sata CD/DVD RW drive
sidux was installed onto the 4Gb sda9 partition
Hard drive partitioning:
sda1: 10Gb ntfs WXP
sda2: 20Gb ext3 (blank)
sda3: 2Gb swap
sda4: extended partition
sda5: 4Gb ext3 (blank)
sda6: 4Gb ext3 (blank)
sda7: 4Gb ext3 (blank)
sda8: 4Gb ext3 Linux Puppy 3.01 (grub on sda mbr)
sda9: 4Gb ext3 sidux-2008-02-erebos-kde-lite-i386-200806252044
sda10: 4Gb ext3 (blank)
sda11: 4Gb ext3 (blank)
sdb1: 10Gb ntfs W03
sdb2: 60Gb ntfs (file-storage)
sdb3: 2Gb swap
sdb4: extended partition
sdb5: 4Gb ext3 Linux Granluar 1 (grub on sdb mbr)
sdb6: 4Gb ext3 Linux Mint 4
I do see an improvement in the eye candy factor with the newer version. But I need the above grub installed to a partition and package manager issues resolved / improved before I will consider sidux distro as good as my LUG does.
I hope this feedback has been helpful for your team to improve this distro.
-Bruce |
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Post subject: RE: grub installed to partition won
Posted: Jun 28, 2008 - 03:58 PM
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I also see sidux still does not have a decent package manager like synaptic, and relies on doing up dates in a CLI or manual way (IMHO that method is hokey).
You won't see one either
why no synaptic, aptitude, gui
eye candy does not make a distro, perhaps sidux is not for you, nothing wrong with that, no distro pleases everyone, sidux is a rolling release and package managers in sidux/sid is not recommened and will b0rk your system |
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sidux uses high compression technology > special care is needed when burning the iso > please burn in DAO-mode, DAO or DIE. NEVER EVER do a apt-get upgrade or use adept, synaptic or aptitude
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Post subject: RE: grub installed to partition won
Posted: Jun 28, 2008 - 04:32 PM
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| As for the "grub" issue, please read release notes under grub/ grub-gfxboot |
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sidux uses high compression technology > special care is needed when burning the iso > please burn in DAO-mode, DAO or DIE. NEVER EVER do a apt-get upgrade or use adept, synaptic or aptitude
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Posted: Jun 30, 2008 - 10:14 PM
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to whom is coming from other distros, the absence of pm seems strange but in full version kpackage is there and synaptic is in repos...
i use lite edition so even kpackage is missed
after reeding the manuals and wikis, i use only kio-apt
once you get habit with it you can survive and enjoy without pm 
and...ehmm....I put again smxi in 2008-02 final 
of corse to newbee to linux i prefer to advice other distro and many of them are easy then sidux, but when someone starts using sidux is difficult to live it 
I think every distros have is nature,
and the nature of sidux is something amazing |
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Posted: Jul 13, 2008 - 10:36 AM
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I wouldn't recommend sidux for anyone new to Linux.
As for the 'grub issue' I simply used Reiserfs as I do not wish to be restricted to using only the sidux version of grub.
And if you wanted it bad enough to do an apt-get install synaptic, you could have synaptic. Though it's not recommended. |
Last edited by lucky9 on Jul 15, 2008 - 10:07 AM; edited 2 times in total
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Posted: Jul 13, 2008 - 12:38 PM
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You are not restricted to sidux' grub-gfxboot, but you are restricted to non-broken versions of grub.
All major distributions fixed it in their latest community releases, but it's still broken (yes, it really is broken) in older releases and probably quite some smaller distributions; reverting to a filesystem in deep maintenance mode to workaround a known, but easily fixable, bug in grub doesn't sound very convincing to me. |
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Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 02:41 AM
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I wouldn't argue the merits of RFS at all. I would point out that it is there in the installer as the only option. I love the new sidux. It's really a superb distribution. Thank you slh for what you've done.
It's a shame that everyone couldn't jump on the 256 bandwagon at the same time or at least close to the same time.
I mentioned my hack only because of the seemingly apparent need expressed. I will happily backup and reinstall when the rest of the world (or at least most of it) gets 'caught up'.
Perhaps there is a way to use an unbroken grub with a broken version of grub that I haven't found yet, but this cludge did all that I needed for now. (I admit that time was a factor) Since I can use the older/broken grub that sits on my mbr at the moment. I will be very happy to get rid of it when that's a more feasable option for me.
PS: How do I contact the management of this forum? I can find no obvious link. And it does have to be obvious for me most of the time. Thank you |
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Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 06:05 AM
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what do you mean by management?
greetz
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Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 12:21 PM
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lucky9 wrote:
I wouldn't recommend sidux for anyone new to Linux ...
Well, of course you are free to not recommend sidux to newcomers. However, many others (including myself) do. sidux is actually very well suited to newcomers. If you read up a little on that topic in the forums you will find many happy newcomers.
I install and support sidux (and Kanotix before) for mostly absolute newcomers (some times even for pc newbies) since four years as a full Windows replacement in small to medium sized businesses, and always received positive feedback. Many of those also replaced Windows with sidux on their private pcs, notebooks and servers without complains.
In my experience, there is just one small group of users sidux is definitely not suited for: The over-clocking tweaking multi-boot windows expert, who expects everything to be working the same it does in his holy Microsoft world, and who is unwilling to learn something new and different.
Greetings,
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Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 03:51 PM
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| Nice points, slam. Seems there are people who expect the moon and the stars. sidux is a very cutting edge Linux OS...sid's as cutting edge as it can be. |
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Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 05:18 PM
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devil wrote:
what do you mean by management?
greetz
devil
My forum membership seems to have been 'reset' as I've been a member since shortly after the split with KANNOTIX occurred. I need to find out if there was a problem when I changed email addresses.
Thanks for any help/direction you can give. |
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Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 05:37 PM
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slam wrote:
lucky9 wrote:
I wouldn't recommend sidux for anyone new to Linux ...
Well, of course you are free to not recommend sidux to newcomers. However, many others (including myself) do. sidux is actually very well suited to newcomers. If you read up a little on that topic in the forums you will find many happy newcomers.
I install and support sidux (and Kanotix before) for mostly absolute newcomers (some times even for pc newbies) since four years as a full Windows replacement in small to medium sized businesses, and always received positive feedback. Many of those also replaced Windows with sidux on their private pcs, notebooks and servers without complains.
In my experience, there is just one small group of users sidux is definitely not suited for: The over-clocking tweaking multi-boot windows expert, who expects everything to be working the same it does in his holy Microsoft world, and who is unwilling to learn something new and different.
Greetings,
Chris
I perhaps should have placed a caveat concerning 'new users' that would have made it clear that sidux is an extremely good distribution for learning and that OOTB is imminently usable by those who wish to do so. Also that it , as is, is complete and usable by anyone. New users included.
I admit I'm pretty close to agnostic concerning distributions.....except that I'm partial to Debian derivatives for the same reasons most of us here are.
As to suitability for use as a production machine I point you to the statements here and on sidux.com concerning that. I'll not argue the point further except to state that if it's not recommended for 'production use' then that statement stands on its own.
sidux is a superb distribution based on Sid. Let's enjoy it.
PS: I feel that I should point out that I haven't had any version of Windows or for that matter any Microsoft software at all on my computer for more than four years.
PPS:I've been away from this forum for some time for personal reasons but under normal circumstances I'm not very active. I prefer to 'kick back' and observe. But 2008-02 deserved acknowledgment. |
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Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 06:37 PM
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lucky9 wrote:
As to suitability for use as a production machine I point you to the statements here and on sidux.com concerning that. I'll not argue the point further except to state that if it's not recommended for 'production use' then that statement stands on its own.
One of the things that I like about sidux, and which drew me to it in the first place, is that it hasn't been billed as 'The Perfect Distro' or 'The Best Distro', and that it does not try to be all things to all users.
In that context, the above quoted warning makes perfect sense to me, adhering as it does to similar caveats posted on the debian site regarding their Sid branch.
Yet I detect a certain, frustrated and proprietary hubris among some forum particpants, in responding to the (absurd IMO) sidux as an alternative to ubuntu review, and sprinkled elsewhere among random topics.
There are other distros, and all (including sidux, and Windows and Mac OS) have their strengths (um... except Vista ) and weaknesses.
Vive la difference... |
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Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 07:42 PM
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lucky9 wrote:
... I'll not argue the point further except to state that if it's not recommended for 'production use' then that statement stands on its own...
I really thought that it's trivial to understand why we needed to add this disclaimer: Opposite to the big corporate players in the operating system field we cannot afford the lawyers they send, if something goes wrong and a user complains. Besides, it's not our style to send lawyers, we prefer to tell you "have fun, use and abuse sidux, but don't blaim us."
The sidux e.V. and the nice community here of course cannot promise production use to you, but if you dig a little deeper you will find a lot of sidux people running and supporting "production use" of sidux.
Greetings,
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Posted: Jul 14, 2008 - 10:24 PM
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The over-clocking tweaking multi-boot windows expert
One over-clocking tweaking multi-boot windows gamer boy once came to sidux-fr irc channel for
curiosity, He then installed sidux nyx on a smaller partition of his pc with big raid disk...
..and he still stays there as sidux user.
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