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shame - Dec 08, 2006 - 10:54 PM
Post subject: Beryl-SVN repo here
<NEWS>
IMPORTANT NOTICE!
Because of changes in the versioning scheme for relatively-stable, apt will not see the new version as an upgrade. So users will need to remove the beryl packages then reinstall to get the new version.
Please see the news section here for full details: http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/
From 3rd/4th February I have made some changes to the repos as part of my ongoing bid to keep improving everything.
relatively-stable: This will now be based on the beryl-project branch releases
This is to make the repo more settled and stable and avoid the constant changes and updates that have been happening recently. The versioning has also changed to fit in with the beryl-project versioning scheme.
I will still be adding all the unofficial plugins and extras.
unstable-daily: This will continue as normal with no changes.
amd64: The standalone amd64 repo has been dropped and 64-bit users can now use either the relatively-stable or unstable-daily sources, giving them the same choice as 32-bit users.
Updates and package lists etc now posted at the repository of shame
You can also report any problems with the packages or repos there.
There are 2 seperate repos, which can be used by both 32-bit and 64-bit users.
1. unstable-daily: which, as the name suggests, will be updated with the very latest beryl svn on a daily basis. It should only be considered by those who are prepared for problems and breakages. This will hitting the repo pretty much untested other than to confirm it actually starts up.
WARNING! Beryl-svn is constantly changing and evolving and can break at any time. If you have never used beryl before or don't want the hassle of things suddenly not working PLEASE use the relatively-stable repo.
2. relatively-stable: which will be updated roughly once a week and will only contain beryl svn versions that have run on my comp without problems.
This repo is for those who want up to date beryl with a little more stability or who simply don't want to be upgrading stuff every day.
WARNING! Note I use the name "relatively stable", beryl svn is still cutting edge stuff and though the packages in this repo may have worked well on my system, it doesn't necessarily mean they will on yours.
Whichever repo you choose I cannot guarantee it will work perfectly, although I will do everything in my power to sort out any problems as soon as possible.
PLEASE BACKUP YOUR SETTINGS REGULARLY!
NOTE: These repos are meant to be used seperately, NOT together.
unstable-daily
Code:
deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/myberyl/shame/debian-sid/beryl-svn/unstable-daily/ ./
relatively-stable
Code:
deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/myberyl/shame/debian-sid/beryl-svn/relatively-stable/ ./
All repos are gpg signed and you can get the key by typing the following command in a terminal as root:
Code:
wget http://download.tuxfamily.org/myberyl/shame/A42A6CF5.gpg -O- | apt-key add -
You can install the basic beryl base packages with:
Code:
apt-get install beryl
Or you can install the base packages plus the unofficial plugins (beryl-plugins-shame and beryl-plugins-extra) with:
Code:
apt-get install beryl-plugins-shame
Or if you want to install everything in the repo you can use:
Code:
apt-get install beryl-shame
If beryl-shame is installed you can use it to upgrade everything in the repo with this command, which will completely remove all packages then install the new versions. This is to avoid problems with changes in dependencies when packages are added/changed/removed:
Code:
beryl-shame upgrade
beryl-shame can also be used to completely and easily remove all packages in the repo with this command:
Code:
beryl-shame remove
< PREVIEWS >
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZUzo2YAxvM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VMQ72ju1u0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4tXKZbaKLM
Many, many thanks to the sidux community who have given me the ecouragement and inspiration to do this.
If anyone wants anything beryl related added to the repos I'll do my best to accomodate as long as it works and is reasonably stable.
If you wish to report any bugs with beryl please go here - http://bugs.beryl-project.org/
If you suspect the problem is with my packages themselves please report it HERE
<NOTICE>
I have nothing to do with with the development of any apps here, I have just packaged them to enable as many people as possible to experience the joy and wonder that is beryl (not that I'm obsessed or anything).
If you decide to use beryl from another source please uninstall any beryl and beryl-plugin packages you installed from here first to avoid any conflicts.
Please remember these packages are in development and may be unstable or buggy or may not work at all on your particular system but if you have problems I'll try my best to find an answer. 
eco2geek - Dec 08, 2006 - 11:40 PM
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Would you please be kind enough to write a how-to on how you made the debs -- and how you made the *.avi video?
(I haven't tried your debs yet, but will tonight. Still using Armando's from his Prometeus remaster.)
zulu9 - Dec 08, 2006 - 11:42 PM
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hi!
thank you very much! they work fine here.
I also tried to make an emerald theme. I simply changed colors in the theme cathbard made for kanotix.
http://rapidshare.com/files/6666478/cat ... erald.html
hubi - Dec 08, 2006 - 11:50 PM
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shame, master of beryl!
What does the taskbar differently? I installed it but do not experience any difference.
hubi
happy with two perfectly running sidux-nvidia-beryl-boxes.
shame - Dec 09, 2006 - 12:16 AM
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Making the debs is a fairly long process. There are a couple of scripts flying around but I can't get them to work, I'm working on my own script at the moment but progress is slow, I'm not good with scripts.
I followed the instructions here - http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php ... n#Building
For anything that doesn't have any distro specific files (such as vidcap, seom and taskbar-compiz) I do "make" and then "checkinstall".
I'd never packaged anything before this so I'm still learning.
The video was made using beryl's capture (vidcap) plugin:
Start vidcap using whatever key combo you set, play about with beryl a bit then do the key combo again to stop it.
This creates a file in /tmp (unless you change the location in the plugin settings) called beryl-capture.seom which you have to convert.
This is the command I use to convert the file -
Code:
seom-filter /tmp/beryl-capture.seom | **multimedia** - -ovc xvid -xvidencopts bitrate=1200 -o /path/to/video/capture.avi
I'm sure there must be an easier way but I haven't really looked into it much yet.
With kde's standard taskbar you can only have it set to show apps from all workspaces when running beryl.
taskbar-compiz is a taskbar replacement applet for kicker that enables you to have applications from the current viewpoint only showing in the taskbar.
There is a beryl forums thread about it here - http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopi ... ht=taskbar
Some things to note -
1: Shutdown beryl then uncheck the "show all windows" option in taskbar settings.
2: If you have the regular taskbar or Taskbarv2/Mtaskbar remove them from kicker first.
3: Restart beryl and right-click kicker > add applet to panel and select taskbar-compiz.
I now have the new xglsnow plugin working on my comp but it installs to the home directory so I'm trying to work out how to get it to install in /usr/lib/beryl so I can do checkinstall on that.
hubi - Dec 09, 2006 - 12:26 AM
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shame wrote:
3: Restart beryl and right-click kicker > add applet to panel and select taskbar-compiz.
Yes!
Thank you so much, just did not think to look at the "add applet to panel" option. Stupid me.
hubi
shame - Dec 09, 2006 - 01:04 AM
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Well I made an xglsnow deb which installs it to /usr/lib/beryl but the snow texture still won't work unless the snowflake image is in the home directory, even though it says in the beryl settings file that the image is in /usr/lib/beryl. Ho-hum.
If anyone is really interested in the snow plugin it's discussed here - http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopic.php?t=398
shame - Dec 09, 2006 - 01:50 AM
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Now added the screensaver plugin. See first post.
eco2geek - Dec 09, 2006 - 02:56 AM
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Nice work, shame!
shame - Dec 09, 2006 - 03:53 AM
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I don't think Iwill ever tire of that 3D world 
@ zulu9
Would you care to post your kde color scheme? It goes well with current sidux wallpaper. I also like the matching colours in the emerald theme but I can't use it since I have my close button on the left and vista buttons don't work well that way. I'll have to adapt the colours to another theme.
zulu9 - Dec 09, 2006 - 06:23 AM
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Sure. I already posted it as a kde-design (on german forum though).
http://www.sidux.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-129.html
This should also include color scheme. I can post it as a seperate file (just the color scheme) too if requested.
senfi - Dec 09, 2006 - 09:06 AM
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this is great work. shame! would it be possible, that you upload your configuration too?
your video looks so great - i think i cant do all this configuration on my own 
(your wallpaper is quite cool!)
shame - Dec 09, 2006 - 12:38 PM
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<< Tip Of The Day >>
Getting bored of the cube yet?
How about something more triangular?
Or hexagonular (or something?)
Beryl-Settings > General Options > Numeric Values > Horizontal Virtual Size
shame - Dec 09, 2006 - 12:53 PM
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@ senfi
I've added my configuration as an attachment. Probably best not to overwrite your own because it will my use the key/mouse combos I use so you can have a look and compare it to yours if there's something you want.
My wallpaper is here - http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5152/debian1wu8.jpg
It's nothing special, just an old mac wallpaper with a debian logo glued on.
For anyone using the capture (vicap) plugin to make videos:
If you use the following settings the it will make the vid and automatically convert it to an .avi but if it's a long clip it may take a while for the .avi to appear, try it out with a very short clip first. Just change the paths to suit yourself.
Code:
Beryl Settings > Capture > Strings >
Output:
file:///tmp/beryl-capture.seom
Command:
seom-filter /tmp/beryl-capture.seom | **multimedia** - -ovc xvid -xvidencopts bitrate=1200 -o /tmp/capture.avi
hubi - Dec 09, 2006 - 01:00 PM
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Maybe this would be the perfect partner for taskbar-compiz:
http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=46021
Quote:
Description:
This is a modified pager applet for kicker to make it work with
compiz.
But I don't know how buggy it is, but it looks the kind I really would love.
Have to learn, how to make .debs then 
hubi
PS: The pic is from the quoted site, I suppose it's under CC and I can post it here.
shame - Dec 09, 2006 - 01:39 PM
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@ hubi
I've tried kicker-compiz and it's working well for me so I've added it, see first post.
hubi - Dec 09, 2006 - 02:13 PM
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shame,
thank you so much again and again.
hubi
bushit - Dec 09, 2006 - 02:17 PM
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I know that this was discussed before, however, a shame-repository for beryl would be great.
Maybe you can talk with the developers about this topic.
Nice work, shame, thank you.
wegface - Dec 09, 2006 - 04:42 PM
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Your excelling yourself shame
Nice one dude. Any chance you could add the date of your beryl debs to the first post, so that when you have updated them we will know?
Shame-beryl-repo would defo rule- if anyone knows how.........
Zophod - Dec 09, 2006 - 04:54 PM
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A nonofficial-shame-beryl-expermintal-repository would be nice, but I don't know if slam wants to host it. (And if shame is able to and wants to maintain it..)
wegface - Dec 09, 2006 - 05:10 PM
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If i wasnt stuck with u.k upload speeds i would be happy to host a repo- all we need is someone in europe with good line and pc on 24/7.
shame - Dec 09, 2006 - 06:24 PM
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I'm currently in the process of updating everything and they will be up in the next hour or two.
I will add the date of current builds to the first post and will also add the dates to the version names to make everything clear.
cobra - Dec 09, 2006 - 07:46 PM
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Oh boy thats great stuff. 
But where can i get these scripts that you ran in your video?
Is it eventually possible to also include them into KDE?
shame - Dec 09, 2006 - 08:45 PM
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Just updated everything - see first page. Let me know if there are any problems.
@ cobra
I'm not sure what scripts you mean.
cobra - Dec 09, 2006 - 09:19 PM
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The right click scripts you clicked before the video appeared on all sides of the cube, and also the screensaver
schtrumpf - Dec 09, 2006 - 09:44 PM
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Cheers, shame, for all your work. Never thought that it would be so easy to get beryl running on my Centrino laptop..
congrats on this!
schtrumpf
piper - Dec 09, 2006 - 09:51 PM
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Yes, good job shame
kstevek - Dec 09, 2006 - 09:56 PM
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Hey shame out of interest what hardware are you running on? Also I must add my thanks to the growing list!!!
cheers kstevek
shame - Dec 09, 2006 - 11:02 PM
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Regarding the right-click scripts in the video, Idid a howto on beryl forums a bit back - http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopi ... highlight=
Unfortunately it does involve using nautilus which means installing quite a few gnome components.
At the moment I'm embroiled in trying to make a kde service menu to do the same thing.
My hardware: AMD Athlon 64 X2 dual core : 1 gig ram : nVidia 7600 GS running on 32-bit sidux.
The video just doesn't do justice to how well beryl runs on my comp, I never expected it to be soo smooth when I installed. I was playing around quite a bit making screenshots to show a friend (windows user) and had the movie playing on the cube faces, as seen in the video as well 6 other videos playing at the same time in kaffeine, the raindrop water effects, 3d world, lincity ng running full screen and several windows closing with the burn effect and there was still no slowdown. When I first installed beryl I expected it to be pretty clunky.
Incidentally, it runs a bit faster on 32-bit sidux than it does with 64-bit suse.
<EDIT>
I appreciate all the positive feedback. Of course it's the beryl devs that have done the real hard work but I'm glad these debs are working ok. Having never packaged anything before I was having visions of everyones computers blowing up and people hunting me down with sharp pointy objects.
HK-47 - Dec 09, 2006 - 11:22 PM
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thanks shame. any chance we can may these debs into the sidux repos until they appear in the debian sid repos?
shame - Dec 09, 2006 - 11:54 PM
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I'm still looking into the repo idea and whether it's beyond my scope or not and I'll keep you posted.
I've made a basic kde service menu to do the screensaver/video as wallpaper thing called "active wallpaper".
I've never tried making a service menu before so I'm not sure if I've done it right , it's the best I can come up with at the moment.
If anyone wants to try it you need xwinwrap which is included in the archive - http://www.juliepeez.plus.com/beryl/act ... per.tar.gz
Code:
mv active-wallpaper.desktop ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/
And as root:
Code:
mv xwinwrap /usr/bin/
If anyone can find any way to improve it please let us know.
cobra - Dec 10, 2006 - 12:00 AM
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Here's my little part for the beryl community on sidux
a cubecap designed for sidux
It has a nice little effect when you set the cube caps to rotate while moving.
Look at the "S" in the middle and watch the sides too 
kstevek - Dec 10, 2006 - 12:13 AM
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Like it, lots...
cheers kstevek
hey_ian - Dec 10, 2006 - 12:18 AM
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Shame, are there any *.deb packages for Aquamarine, the Kwin equivalent for Beryl? I have heard there are sources in the beryl SVN. EBuild are available.
If there are none and anyone is interested I would build the packages, because Aquamarine is a good replacement for Emerald and is integrated into KControl.
shame - Dec 10, 2006 - 12:48 AM
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Aquamarine does come down as part of the cvs source but I haven't been able to build it. I get this
Code:
This Makefile is only for the CVS repository
This will be deleted before making the distribution
./admin/cvs.sh: line 33: --version: command not found
*** AUTOCONF NOT FOUND!.
*** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer
make[1]: *** [cvs] Error 1
make: *** [all] Error 2
p500xl - Dec 10, 2006 - 12:51 AM
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apt-get install autoconf
shame - Dec 10, 2006 - 12:55 AM
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I have autoconf 2.61-2 installed. There are a lot of bugs reported to debian about the same error.
@ cobra
I'm using that cubecap now. I have it set not to rotate when rotating cube and it makes my eyes go well funny. Cool.
zulu9 - Dec 10, 2006 - 02:23 AM
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thanks again shame. the new debs work fine.
I modified some files for a sidux beryl-splashscreen.
save the splash_logo.png and splash_background.png somewhere and set them in:
beryl-settings-manager > splash > filenames
EDIT: Images can now be found here:
http://sidux.com/module-Mediashare-view ... id-13.html
shame - Dec 10, 2006 - 03:37 AM
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Good job zulu9, very nice. I'm gonna change my colour scheme to the sidux colours as soon as I find some nice icons to fit in with it.
I've finally managed to get the snow plugin installable and working (for me at least). This one took some working out I can tell you. If you want to try it check out the first page but please note the warning.
zulu9 - Dec 10, 2006 - 04:08 AM
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Please ignoe the errors. I was just stupid/confused (see next post).
two plugins (screensaver and snow) currently won't work here.
Code:
libberylsettings: Couldn't get vtable from '/usr/lib/beryl/libsnow.so' plugin
libberylsettings: Couldn't get vtable from '/usr/lib/beryl/libscreensaver.so' plugin
theres is some additional error for the scrensaver-plugin:
Code:
beryl: '/usr/lib/beryl/libscreensaver.so' plugin version does not match beryl version.
beryl is of version 32, but plugin '/usr/lib/beryl/libscreensaver.so' has version 33.
beryl: Couldn't load plugin 'screensaver'
shame - Dec 10, 2006 - 04:16 AM
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Aw, both work perfectly for me. Hmm, maybe with them still being heavily in development they will only work on the comp they are compiled on.
Has anyone else tried them with similar results? Please let me know and if they aren't working for anyone I'll take them down.
zulu9 - Dec 10, 2006 - 04:41 AM
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sry. Was my fault. Seems I did not update all the beryl-debs before and got a version mismatch.
still there is no snow (but plugin and settings are there), does snow need pixelshaders as the water-effect does?
shame - Dec 10, 2006 - 10:24 AM
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I haven't seen any mention of that in the beryl thread but it could possibly be the case. I'll look into it some more.
Has anyone managed to get snow working ok with this?
hey_ian - Dec 10, 2006 - 03:02 PM
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IS there a way to make Beryl start automatically from KDM, except of Autostart?
shame - Dec 10, 2006 - 03:11 PM
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Yes, I run it from kdm. I used this guide - http://www.suseforums.net/index.php?showtopic=26192
It works very well and you can use beryl's splash instead of ksplash, that's what the wavy wallpaper thing at the start of my video is.
hey_ian - Dec 10, 2006 - 05:32 PM
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shame wrote:
Yes, I run it from kdm. I used this guide -
http://www.suseforums.net/index.php?showtopic=26192
It works very well and you can use beryl's splash instead of ksplash, that's what the wavy wallpaper thing at the start of my video is.
Thanks for the tip. In GEntoo - there is a no problem to make Beryl start instead of Kwin but in how to do it in Debian I did not know. This is in my opinion a very good tutorial and should be posted into the Wiki.
phen - Dec 11, 2006 - 01:47 AM
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hi shame,
sorry for still bothering you.. 
thanks for adding the taskbar-compiz so quick! unfortunately it doesnt work for me.
here's what i did:
1. dpkg'ed your taskbar.deb
2. checked, if "ShowAllWindows" is unchecked
3. removed standard, added the compiz one
4. started beryl
-> because there was no effect (all apps in the bar of each cube-side), i searched the beryl-settings for an option. i've only found the option in "switcher".. also re-logging-in didn't bring a change.
i have no clue where to look for what..
for verification, i checked the taskbar-config-file, according to the beryl-forum-post:
Quote:
~/.kde/share/config/ktaskbarrc (change the value of ShowAllWindows to false)
the value is already false.. maybe it's something in the beryl-settings?
btw: on youtube i saw a video about 3d-world-plugin, where the 'viewer' moved through the 'levitating' windows.. is that possible?
did anybody of you found any usability-value of that plugin (besides eyecandy )?
PS:
when i have a video playing on top off a desktop with several windows open, getting into cube-rotating moves the videoplayer-windows down onto the desktop (video is than the lowest window) - is that a normal behaviour?
shame - Dec 11, 2006 - 05:09 AM
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Hi, you're not bothering me and I'm happy to help any way I can.
I'm not sure what the taskbar problem could be but with beryl disabled, in my taskbar settings I have all the boxes unchecked and "Group similar tasks" set to never.
I know when I first tried it it was still showing all windows and I'm not sure what I did to fix it. I think I added the taskbar while beryl was running, maybe try that. Shutdown beryl, remove taskbar-compiz from the panel, restart beryl and re-add taskbar-compiz. Let me know how you get on.
As far as I know, none of the beryl options should have any effect on the taskbar, maybe try changin the number of desktops in Beryl-settings >General Options > Numeric Values, though I don't think it will help.
If all else fails it could be down to beryl starting after kicker. If nothing else works maybe try starting beryl from an xsession. I posted a link to a howto on that 2 posts above yours.
Regarding 3d world, yes that is possible. Beryl Settings > A 3D World > Numeric Values > Space between windows. Set it to a very high level.
I don't think it has any usability value really except for showing off but I'm sure people will find a good use in due course.
I've noticed that too with the videos, but if my mouse pointer is over the video when I initiate the rotation then the video does stay on top.
phen - Dec 11, 2006 - 01:12 PM
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hey shame
hm, ok:
in the taskbar-settings i only left the alphabetical and the "show symbols" one checked.
i removed the taskbar in kwin and added it again in beryl - nothing.
i managed to get beryl started from xsession - nothing, but: i have a "cube" with 3 sides, and starting beryl from kwin i get shown 4desktops in the bar. but after starting from xsession i get my 3desktops displayed in the taskbar. very nice!
maybe i have to reboot? (..hm, getting kinda desperate)
btw: when i use the (right-bottom-)corner to "show desktop", my superkaramba-monitor-theme still remains on the desktop! great!!
when i could get managed this taskbar thing (and for perfection: that monitor-theme on each cube-side.. ) beryl would be my default..
AAAHHH: the problem was (!), that for checking the taskbar's contents i looked at it in rotation-state. i didn't let the next desktop snap onto the screen! but while rotating the cube, the taskbar shows the contents of the last active desktop on each side! after accessing a desktop without apps on, the taskbar refreshes and shows no apps.. i'm not perfectly satisfied with this solution but pleased
beryl IS my default now! JIP JIP
thanks so much shame!
shame - Dec 11, 2006 - 02:04 PM
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Ahh. Yes I've noticed that but Ididn't think of it til you mentioned it. Glad you've got it sorted.
I'm looking into the possibility of setting up 2 repos. Both still based on svn beryl but a daily one which is updated every day (suprisingly) and is what I will be running personally so I can make sure it's all running ok and a weekly one for those that want to stay fairly up to date with beryl but don't want to be getting updates every day or want slightly more stabilty (though I'm yet to have any stability issues at all with beryl).
It's unlikely I will have anything happening with that til at least next week at the earliest but in the meantime I'll be continuing to update the debs every 2 or 3 days.
LadyCuddles - Dec 11, 2006 - 09:17 PM
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OMG Shame!
That video teaster is INTENSE! You've done so beautiful work there! Breathtaking!
I gotta have it, thats for sure... OMG... that was better than SEX! ( and, yes, I AM lighting a cig after that! )
Shesh... was it as good for you? As it was for me??????????? Fantastic!
LadyCuddles - Dec 11, 2006 - 11:03 PM
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Shame,
I really hate to bother you, especially, after my above post...
But...
Can you post your settings? Beryl has so many, and I still cant get the desktop cube to be anywhere near the same as what your teaser looks like... I have tried almost every setting I can in beryl manager settings, and all I can do is zoom out the cube... I realize this is asking for a rather nasty re-post, if you include what you have, but, with all the settings "possible", it could take a person forever to change the right combination, and, as you might guess, it may actually require someone changing, two, or more, certain settings, to actually see something change... ( thats at least what I am starting to learn in beryl )
Thanks in advance... Other than that, its beautiful, the changes from v0.1, which I had previously, to the current, is amazing!
shame - Dec 12, 2006 - 02:30 AM
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@ LadyCuddles
Since you erm... enjoyed the video so much I've done another one specially for you. Shows a couple of different things, including the snow plugin - http://www.juliepeez.plus.com/beryl/fun-with-beryl.avi
As for the settings. I did post my settings file (I think it might have been on the old thread) but I know it's pretty hard to follow so I've just done screenshots of every option. I couldn't really think of any other way.
I didn't bother with the keyboard/mouse/filename settings since most people will have their own ideas about those. I also left out a couple of settings which I don't use and haven't configured so for any options you don't find a screenie for, assume beryl defaults.
I packed em in a tarball which is here - http://www.juliepeez.plus.com/beryl/ber ... ngs.tar.gz
This is an example of what's in it - 
I've just done another svn build and am just about to try it out. If there are no problems it should be up in an hour or two.
phen - Dec 12, 2006 - 02:33 AM
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shame,
could you pleeeaasse post the orange (fullscreen?) debian-splash from out of your (first) video? (2 files, isn't it?)
btw: dpkg'ed the snow-plugin (and re-logged in) but i got no options in the beryl-settings..
shame - Dec 12, 2006 - 02:57 AM
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Yes it is indeed 2 files.
This is the background image - http://www.juliepeez.plus.com/beryl/ima ... gerine.png
And this is the logo image with the plain debian logo - http://www.juliepeez.plus.com/beryl/ima ... l-logo.png
And this is the one with the debian sidux logo - http://www.juliepeez.plus.com/beryl/ima ... l-logo.png
I'm not sure what's wrong with the snow plugin. Could you just have a look in /usr/lib/beryl and tell me if there are libsnow.so and snowflake2.png files there?
Has anyone here got the snow or screensaver plugins working?
phen - Dec 12, 2006 - 03:03 AM
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jep shame,
both files are there.
(i also tried your video-wallpaper.. quite cool )
ups: thanks for your quick reply!
shame - Dec 12, 2006 - 03:11 AM
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Hmm, I can't imagine why it's not showing up. It should be between "Show Desktop" and "Splash" in the settings.
If you are keeping up to date with each build try the latest beryl svn when it goes up shortly (there have been no changes with any of the stuff in extra-stuff-beryl so not being updated).
shame - Dec 12, 2006 - 04:17 AM
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Beryl svn updated - see first post. Extra-stuff-beryl not updated at this time as none of the stuff in there has changed.
No major changes in the svn build really (well the devs have to take a break some time) minor bug fixes and extra option added to desktop cube - "Active transparency on top/bottom snap". I haven't gotten round to working out what it actually does yet but it's something to play with.
LadyCuddles - Dec 12, 2006 - 06:39 AM
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Shame, yeah, I noticed it, after I posted that response about the configs... Stupid me
Wonderful packages - love them, and did get the actual configs you have running, then my 1.8 GHz system started to bog down, real bad... so went back to default, and enabled a few things... I do have the screensaver plugin working, perfectly - that is so cool, especially when you have a cubie that is more than four sides
Tried to get the snow plugin to work, but, didnt show up in the settings... no prob... Ive got enough snow here in Utah already
Thanks again for a wonderful thread, packages, and the groundwork behind beryl -
shame - Dec 12, 2006 - 04:28 PM
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I think you can cut down on a lot of the resource usage by disabling all blur effects and enabling midmap in both 3d world and desktop cube options.
I think in the settings I posted I had midmap disabled, I normally have it enabled but disabled it to make the snow plugin work better. I also don't normally run blur effects on sidux but on suse I do and it runs quite a bit slower on suse.
LadyCuddles - Dec 12, 2006 - 04:41 PM
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Shame, thanks for all of your work, I dont want to sound like a broken record, or make your head blow-up to non-human proportions, but, you have done some excellent work here, as to with Zulu9, and even Cathbard and his graphics... It just makes sidux more "polished" and "classy" Thanks
Now, you knew this was coming, didnt you... (?)
Ive tried to get the cap graphics to work, the ones you get on top and bottom of the "cubie" ( not all the right word, cause after you showed how to change the amount of sides, I went to 5, which is not a "cube" anymore ), but, my problem is, I get a background that spins as the cubie does, but no cap images on the top and bottom.... What am I doing wrong???
Thanks in advance, and, btw, may have to try your suggestions about kickin beryl a little faster, I figured I had to "much" flashy stuff running, just figured the easiest way was to go back to square one, thats all...
shame - Dec 12, 2006 - 05:27 PM
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I'm afraid at the moment cubecaps don't appear if the you have anything other than 4 sides, I'm sure that will change in due course though. Cubecaps are the only reason I stick with 4 sides rather 3.
I'm in the process of gathering as much info on beryl as possible to maybe do a webpage on all the options and explaining what they do as well as various tips and tricks such as lowering resource usage while still making it look as good as possible.
LadyCuddles - Dec 12, 2006 - 05:38 PM
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Shame,
Ahhhh, something simple, should have known...
btw, that sounds like a wonderful idea, then, it can all be viewed as a whole, and not spent over 5 screens, a lot more concise.
Also, I boo-boo'ed when I said I had the snow plugin and it wasnt working... I didnt notice it was a seperate download of the other two, so, never did it, or have it. My mistake. I did find out something though...
If you are running the beryl screensaver, AND you have xscreensaver running, AND you have your screen set to LOCK for a password... You may want to dissable something. Had the cube screensaver kick in, then xscreensaver... Moving the mouse gave beryl the out from its screensaver, but, would not allow you to move the cube with the keyboard or mouse control - moving the mouse around, it became apparent it was "locked" in the xscreensavers "password" box, but not visible. To get out of xscreensaver, I had to enter the password w/o any visual. Then, xscreensaver released the keyboard and mouse, allowing me to move the cube to a side that was a desktop, and everything was back to normal. Just some findings, hope they help...
shame - Dec 13, 2006 - 04:25 AM
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I have never used lock screen so it's not something I would have though of.
I'm going to add a warning readme next time I build or repack the extras and will include that snippet of info. Thanks for pointing it out.
I've updated the snow plugin and this one *should* work for everyone. So if you tried it before and got nowhere give this one a whirl. But remember it is a bit buggy and only for people who like to experiment.
Once enabled in settings, you need to use the hotkeys to start the snow, by default it is <Super><F3> and you can then turn it off and on at will that way.
You can now also choose you own snowflake image or use other images, such as hearts.
I mentioned before that I was looking into the possibility of setting up a repo.
Well it is certainly do-able and I dare say very likely.
There are one or two things I still need to look into but hopefully I will have something setup in the next week or 2.
My aim is for it to be THE most up to date beryl repo around 
shame - Dec 13, 2006 - 03:22 PM
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For any of you who are fans of the mac g*nie minimize effect. I've now added a patched beryl-plugins deb which enables you to set max waves in magic lamp effect to 0.
See first page and please read the warning.
LadyCuddles - Dec 13, 2006 - 03:57 PM
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Shame,
Update on that xscreensaver issue I mentioned above...
I have had both of the screensavers active, at the same time, since I posted the issue, and, it hasnt happened again. Beryl's screensaver has activated, but, xscreensaver has not. Since, I cant seem to duplicate the problem, I wouldnt go as far as saying it WONT happen, but, cant get it TO happen, at this time. My thought is, to give a notice about it MIGHT happen, if you have both running, and leave it at that. As long as you know what "might" happen in this situation, you can be prepared for how to get out of it, if it happens.
I am going to continue to have both screensavers active at the same time, and give you any additional information I can, if it happens again.
In either case, it does, or doesnt, doesnt cause crashes, or lock-ups, its just kinda different if it happens, so, not a big deal... Keep you posted...
zulu9 - Dec 13, 2006 - 05:10 PM
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the gallery is now open to users. I already added an album for beryl-related media and uploaded my splash-screen images to it.
http://sidux.com/module-Mediashare-view-aid-6.html
shame - Dec 13, 2006 - 05:41 PM
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Nice one, I'm working on some stuff for when I switch over to the sidux colour scheme so I'll have to add to it, in particular, a visually stunning skydome (if I do say so myself) And a
@LadyCuddles
I've also been trying to duplicate it but nothing so far. I've never managed to get xscreensaver to kick in when the beryl one is running.
LadyCuddles - Dec 13, 2006 - 07:18 PM
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For some reason, I havent been able to also, now... it may have been a fluke the first time...
I did get a horrible crash, just now... had beryl from your post at beginning running, the cube was in screensaver mode, and I have the new Beta NVidia driver (9731?) - and when I moved the mouse to get out of the cube saver, beryl went back to cude screen but no mouse... Keyboard control only... a ps auxw in a root konsole reported that [netstat] was a zombie, and nothing... I tried cntl + anything, nothing... cntl + alt + F1 and then a F7 gave me a black screen - had to init 3 and init 5 to get control and screen + mouse back
Not sure if this is related to the beryl screensaver issue, but, still trying to test that out as well
shame - Dec 13, 2006 - 11:41 PM
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It could be the nvidia driver. I'm not sure exactly which it is you are using, I think the latest stable is 9631 and the current beta is 9742.
I have read a few comments about the 9631 saying that beryl ran slower with that driver. I have been using the 9742 one but tried the 9631 yesterday and also thought beryl seemed slower and a bit jumpy (or maybe it was because it had been put into my head that it would be) so went back to 9742.
Or it could be something to do with suspend? Apparently beryl has issues with it - http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopi ... &t=789
I did notice when my comp went into suspend mode one time I couldn't do anything with it and ended up doing a cold restart.
There are also screensaver problems mentioned here - http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopi ... &t=158
The author of the screensaver-plugin is currently concentrating on bugfixes so the next version might iron out some problems.
severin - Dec 14, 2006 - 09:09 AM
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how do you change drivers? using kano's install-nvidia-debian.sh, just replacing the driver number? Or do you run the plain nvidia installer?
shame - Dec 14, 2006 - 02:14 PM
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You can run
Code:
install-nvidia-debian.sh
by itself and that will install the latest stable driver or
Code:
install-nvidia-debian.sh -c
to install the latest beta driver.
I have had trouble with my internet so I download the driver from nvidia.com but that way you are using the same driver as installed by the script.
I think (but don't quote me on this) the install-nvidia-debian.sh sets up xorg.conf
correctly for beryl whereas with the nvidia installer you need to add bits yourself.
severin - Dec 14, 2006 - 10:49 PM
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Great work, shame!
Just one thing: putting linking to "berly-manager" from within ~/.kde/Autostart didn't work; I have to manually restart beryl. Do you know how to solve this?
Best regards,
Severin
-----
EDIT:
ok, I just found your kdm "hack". Thanks a lot!
shame - Dec 14, 2006 - 11:29 PM
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Not sure if it's a typo in your post or if you are using "berly-manager" in your link. If so it should be "beryl-manager"
Code:
ln -s /usr/bin/beryl-manager ~/.kde/Autostart/beryl-manager
If that still doesn't work try creating a desktop entry in Autostart instead (but remove the link first) -
Code:
kwrite ~/.kde/Autostart/beryl.desktop
And copy and paste this into it -
Code:
[Desktop Entry]
Encoding=UTF-8
Exec=beryl-manager &
GenericName[en_US]=
StartupNotify=false
Terminal=false
TerminalOptions=
Type=Application
X-KDE-autostart-after=kdesktop
Failing that you can start from an Xsession (which means at the login manager you get to choose between regular kde without beryl or kde with beryl).
Personally I think this is the best way and there is an excellent tutorial here - http://www.suseforums.net/index.php?showtopic=26192
shame - Dec 15, 2006 - 04:56 AM
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I've updated everything. There are problems with the blur plugin crashing beryl for some people.
See the first post for info and please let me know if anyone is having any problems with anything.
<EDIT>
Woohoo. This is the second longest thread on the whole forum.
Ok, so most of the replies are from me but it still makes me feel that little bit special
severin - Dec 15, 2006 - 09:54 AM
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Thanks. I managed to get the kdm thing working.
Yes, it was a typo. Beryl did start, but did not take over from kwin. So I could have it take over by clicking the diamond thing in the system tray and selecting "restart beryl" (or the like). Might be I was missing the "X-KDE-autostart-after=kdesktop".
Anyway, I prefer the kdm way - feels more like I have a fallback in case something goes wrong (btw: is there a way to prevent KDE from executing Autostart (like the "hold <Shift>" thing in windows?))
tr0nic - Dec 17, 2006 - 03:24 PM
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I've got the following problem when trying to start beryl (with your svn from december 15th):
Code:
basileus@greyhound:~$ beryl-manager
basileus@greyhound:~$ XGL Absent, checking for NVIDIA
Nvidia Present
Relaunching beryl with __GL_YIELD="NOTHING"
XGL Absent, checking for NVIDIA
Nvidia Present
Initiating splash
beryl: Failed to load slide: /usr/share/beryl/cubecaps.png
beryl: Failed to load slide: /usr/share/beryl/cubecaps.png
Reloading all options.
beryl: Failed to load slide: /usr/share/beryl/cubecaps.png
beryl: Failed to load slide: /usr/share/beryl/cubecaps.png
[SPLASH]: Could not load splash background image "/usr/share/beryl/splash_background.png" !
[SPLASH]: Could not load splash logo image "/usr/share/beryl/splash_logo.png" !
sh: line 5: gdb: command not found
[CRASH_HANDLER]: "/tmp/beryl_crash-9240.out" created!
This did not happen with the prior version.
Actually, there is a file called cubecaps.png in that folder!
/etc/X11/xorg.conf should be okay, too, since it's the same that worked with the older version of your beryl debs.
Any help appreciated.
shame - Dec 17, 2006 - 09:05 PM
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Quite a few people have been reporting crashes with very recent svn beryl, myself included. In my case it was fixed by enabling "Force non fbo blur" in blur effects settings but it seems to be different for different people.
If you haven't made many customizations to the settings then deleting or moving your ./beryl directory should get it working. You certainly don't need to mess with xorg.conf or the graphics card drivers as this seems to be purely beryl related and all I can think of is that it is changing the way it is reading the settings or even corrupting them, there have been some changes in beryl recently and new options added.
All the debs will be updated in the next couple of hours and hopefully it will all be sorted out then.
In the meantime, if you don't want to lose your settings, here are a some things to try:
Open the beryl settings file
Code:
kwrite ~/.beryl/settings
The top of the file will probably look something like this
Code:
[_]
a_active_plugins=settings;crashhandler;screensaver;snow;place;water etc
Now, look for the line "s_number_of_desktops=1" or whatever the number of desktop is you have set.
Now move that line above the active plugins so it looks something like this -
Code:
[_]
s_number_of_desktops=1
a_active_plugins=settings;crashhandler;screensaver;snow;place;water etc
I noticed when I moved my .beryl folder and let it create the settings again, the desktops line was always put before any other lines so there might be something in it.
If that doesn't help try these:
Check "Force non fbo blur" in blur effects settings.
Disable the blur plugin altogether.
If you try out those suggestions I would be interested to know the results.
<EDIT>
I forgot one major thing, beryl has 2 new entries in the plugins panel in the settings, png and svg. You must now have png enabled and if you are using any custom svg images you must also enable that.
So before you try anything else, enter beryl-settings in a terminal and make sure png is enabled at least.
tr0nic - Dec 17, 2006 - 10:54 PM
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Thank you very much, Shame.
I'm going to wait for the new svn debs, then try again and report.
shame - Dec 18, 2006 - 02:10 AM
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I've updated everything. All is working well again on my comp, let me know if it goes ok for you.
Important changes! Please read the news items on the first post.
tr0nic - Dec 18, 2006 - 02:32 AM
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dpkg -i *.deb in beryl-svn folder gives me quite a few errors:
Code:
dpkg: Abhängigkeitsprobleme verhindern Konfiguration von beryl:
beryl hängt ab von emerald | aquamarine | heliodor | compiz-gtk; aber:
Paket emerald ist nicht installiert.
Paket aquamarine ist nicht installiert.
Paket heliodor ist nicht installiert.
Paket compiz-gtk ist nicht installiert.
dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von beryl (--install):
Abhängigkeitsprobleme - lasse es unkonfiguriert
Richte beryl-core ein (0.1.3~0beryl2-svn1842) ...
dpkg: Abhängigkeitsprobleme verhindern Konfiguration von beryl-manager:
beryl-manager hängt ab von beryl; aber:
Paket beryl ist noch nicht konfiguriert.
dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von beryl-manager (--install):
Abhängigkeitsprobleme - lasse es unkonfiguriert
[...]
dpkg: Abhängigkeitsprobleme verhindern Konfiguration von emerald-themes:
emerald-themes hängt ab von emerald (>= 0.1); aber:
Paket emerald ist nicht installiert.
dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von emerald-themes (--install):
Abhängigkeitsprobleme - lasse es unkonfiguriert
[...]
Richte libberylsettings-dev ein (0.1.3~0beryl2-svn1842) ...
dpkg: Abhängigkeitsprobleme verhindern Konfiguration von libemeraldengine0:
libemeraldengine0 hängt ab von emerald (= 0.1.3~0beryl1-svn1842); aber:
Paket emerald ist nicht installiert.
dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von libemeraldengine0 (--install):
Abhängigkeitsprobleme - lasse es unkonfiguriert
dpkg: Abhängigkeitsprobleme verhindern Konfiguration von libemeraldengine-dev:
libemeraldengine-dev hängt ab von libemeraldengine0 (= 0.1.3~0beryl1-svn1842); aber:
Paket libemeraldengine0 ist noch nicht konfiguriert.
dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von libemeraldengine-dev (--install):
Abhängigkeitsprobleme - lasse es unkonfiguriert
[...]
Fehler traten auf beim Bearbeiten von:
beryl
beryl-manager
emerald-themes
libemeraldengine0
libemeraldengine-dev
Sorry, it's in german, but maybe you can figure out what it means (it's something about dependencies I guess).
N.B.: I purged the previous versions of all beryl-svn packages.
shame - Dec 18, 2006 - 03:00 AM
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Oh dear, please accept my humblest apologies. I accidentally left emerald out of the tarball. I've uploaded a new tarball with emerald included.
I've also added the emerald as an attachment to save you, and anyone else who downloaded it, downloading the whole thing.
severin - Dec 19, 2006 - 06:50 PM
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me again. Just updated to your new debs. Had to (well maybe I wouldn't exactly *had* to, but did anyway) delete .berly-managerrc and .beryl/ in the process. Now I've lost the capability to maximize windows vertically by middle-clicking the maximize button (as in kwin). Anybody got any idea? I don't even know where to look in - tried the respective emerald and beryl managers to no avail...
EDIT: funnily enough, I *do* have the "maximize windows horizontally" gimmick by right-clicking their maximize button 
bushit - Dec 19, 2006 - 07:39 PM
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This snow looks really strange, doesn´t it?
However, there is no real need in any case...
Thank your for the new packages, shame!
bushit
phen - Dec 19, 2006 - 08:18 PM
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bushit,
i only have seen that effect after unchecking "enable blending".. are all the 4 options checked in your snow-settings?
bushit - Dec 19, 2006 - 08:30 PM
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The three options are checked.
bushit
phen - Dec 19, 2006 - 08:36 PM
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oops, seems like you got another version than i have. additionally, in my settings theres the option "enable displaylists" - maybe a bug in a newer version? i have snow-20061210 installed.
shame, help!!
shame - Dec 19, 2006 - 10:09 PM
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@ bushit
It looks like you are using the snow plugin that is now part of the official beryl-plugins. I'm suprised it was added so soon as lots of people seem to having trouble with it which is why I kept it in the extras tarball till it was added.
It has been working for me so I haven't really looked into it much but could you check the filenames tab in snow settings and let me know the path to the snowflake? Maybe try copying it to your .beryl directory and changing the path to see if it helps.
The version Phen is using is the one I packaged and consisted of various patches added by members of the beryl forums as well as some tinkering by me to make sure things were installed in the right places so that explains the difference in the preferences.
Have you made sure the "png" plugin is enabled as this is now essential for the snowflakes to appear? Also, if you start beryl-manager from a terminal does it give any errors about not finding images/textures?
Let me know how you get on.
@ severin
I'm afraid I'm not familiar with maximizing horizontally/vertically options as it's something I've never used. At the moment I have uninstalled beryl while I sort some things out so I can't look into it at the moment but I'll get back to you as soon as I can.
I'm sorry some people are having problems with beryl.
There are quite a few (seemingly) minor things being changed in beryl svn and it seems to be causing quite a few problems. I expect the problems may continue for a bit til everythings a bit more settled.
Mainly because of this the next debs I upload (in the next few hours) may be the last I post here.
Instead I'm going with my idea of setting up 2 repos, a bleeding edge daily updated (maybe twice daily if I find major problems quickly enough) one for those that like to live on the edge, I will be uploading it as I build it and it will be completely untested by me so it's only for those that want the very latest version available (at the time it hits the repo it will be the very latest svn revision).
And there will probably be a "relatively stable" repo where I will upload every week or so and will only add versions that have worked on my comp without any issues. I'm not entirely sure if this will be needed really as there are other sources to get slightly older packages.
This is if everything goes to plan, I have most things in place now and the whole process is almost completely automized. I just have a couple of things to work on before it goes online and I want to make sure there are no problems at all.
I'm aiming to get it up and running within the next couple of days. (That's assuming anyone even wants a repo).
<EDIT>
By the way, I finally managed to get aquamarine to build and it will be added to the next lot of debs.
wegface - Dec 20, 2006 - 11:00 AM
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Nice work again shame. Yeah we WANT your repo
cobra - Dec 20, 2006 - 12:37 PM
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@bushit:
Your problem is that you didn't select which file format you want to use PNG or SVG.
When you are rotating the Desktop cubes will also disappear if they are in PNG format.
You have to choose one fileformat.
It can happen when you use both that beryl won't start anymore, only a blank white screen will appear.
Choose one and it will work.
You'll find it in beryl-settings.
knithx - Dec 20, 2006 - 06:25 PM
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Any tutorials for doing it with XGL+ATI?
Thanks Shame.
shame - Dec 20, 2006 - 10:52 PM
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I'm afraid I've never used ati but assuming you've got the drivers installed and just need to get beryl running, try this tutorial here - http://www.biodesign.com.ar/blog/?p=25
It's for ubuntu but if you ignore the installing beryl bit and go straight to the configuration section halfway down the page it may be of some help.
The next lot of debs have been delayed for a while. For some reason I've been unable to connect to the svn trunk since yesterday so I don't know if they are moving servers again or something.
Secondly, my backup hard drive died so I've lost a lot of stuff I was working on, in particular the scripts I had made for building everything.
shame - Dec 21, 2006 - 01:48 AM
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Beryl svn updated and aquamarine added.
The beryl settings layout has changed a bit (for the better I reckon) but I think everything is generally in the same places.
<EDIT>
Can someone who hasn't already installed the updated debs please try out this repo.
Code:
removed - see first post for new repo
For everything that's there:
Code:
apt-get install aquamarine aquamarine-dev bdock beryl beryl-core beryl-dbus beryl-dev beryl-manager beryl-plugins beryl-plugins-data beryl-settings beryl-vidcap seom emerald emerald-themes libberylsettings0 libberylsettings-dev libemeraldengine0 libemeraldengine-dev
PLEASE NOTE: This isn't the final repo and it doesn't have any of the extra stuff yet and you will get the warning about them not being authenticated (it if works). All the packages are the same versions as the new debs on the first post.
It is just for testing everything is working as it should.
Anyone who does try it please, PLEASE report back and let me know.
If it goes ok I just have one or 2 things to work on then it should be up and running properly within the next day or so.
ih8u - Dec 21, 2006 - 06:12 AM
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shame
the repo you listed above works great
ih8u - Dec 21, 2006 - 06:14 AM
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although i now have some strange problems with beryl not accepting any changes i make through the settings manager and all of the themes in emerald are invalid. any ideas would be appreciated.
thanks for all of your hard work on the beryl packages.
edit:
oh yeah this is the error message that i get while running beryl-manager in a terminal
(process:11063): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_key_file_set_value: assertion `g_key_file_is_key_name (key)' failed
LadyCuddles - Dec 21, 2006 - 06:32 AM
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shame,
I think i am also getting the above problem... Did a dist-upgrade, and a lot of kde packages were being updated, came back into kde fine, fired up beryl, and looked ok, just, for what I can tell, my beryl settings appeared to be non-existant... So I went into beryl-settings, kwin wasnt set for fallback, so i set it, then went to beryl-themes, and when i tried to change the theme to anything, it just locked up.
I thought maybe the debs got overwritten, so dropped back to an init 3, did the dpkg -i of them all again, and then back in kde, beryl did the same lock up...
We need to upgrade the beryl? the themes are in the settings, just cant get to them, or change them...
I want my cube back, ive grown to love it, use it, and, its not fun anymore without it...
Thanks for any assistance,
Sprinter1 - Dec 21, 2006 - 11:50 AM
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hm, since i install beryl my konqueror is gone!?
How can I remove beryl? I installed it by unpacking the tar and dpkg -i *.deb
Sprinter
shame - Dec 21, 2006 - 11:52 AM
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I'm sorry to hear this. It sounds like a problem reported on beryl forums - http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopi ... amp;t=1207
LadyCuddles, you mentioned some kde stuff has been upgraded and ih8u, have all your kde packages been updated also? It could be something messed up in the upgrade as everything is working fine here and I have NOT dist-upgraded for a couple of days (I know that's not much comfort to you).
Try removing the screensaver plugin if you have it and make sure the snow plugin I packaged before it became official is not installed.
I'm going to do everything I can to find out what the problem is exactly and if it is a problem with beryl itself I'll get some new debs up.
If all else fails maybe try "previous stable" debs on the first page (they're about a week old).
severin - Dec 21, 2006 - 11:57 AM
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Sprinter1 wrote:
How can I remove beryl? I installed it by unpacking the tar and dpkg -i *.deb
afair you can remove packages by "dpkg -p" (purge will delete all configuration files as well which doesn't seem like what you want to do but can help you out sometimes if your system is really borked) or "dpkg -u" to keep the configuration.
I'm not entirely sure about the u and p, check
Code:
man dpkg
piper - Dec 21, 2006 - 12:17 PM
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Sprinter1 wrote:
hm, since i install beryl my konqueror is gone!?
How can I remove beryl? I installed it by unpacking the tar and dpkg -i *.deb
Sprinter
apt-get --purge remove beryl* emerald*
should do it, might want to remove .beryl, .emerald in your /home folder
shame - Dec 21, 2006 - 12:18 PM
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I've just tried dist-upgrading with all the new stuff and I'm also getting the problems with beryl being messed up now.
I'm going do another build to see if that helps and I'll post back as soon as I can.
Looking in my .beryl directory, it seems all the settings files are now blanked out completely. It's strange that this only happened after the upgrade but it may have been done on purpose because of the new settings layout.
Either way, new debs will be up shortly. If you haven't already, backuping your .beryl folder would be a good idea.
cobra - Dec 21, 2006 - 12:37 PM
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I'm working on an install and remove script for beryl.
I only have to add the shame repository.
Then I'll post it here.
This should solve all installation and removal problems at all.
piper - Dec 21, 2006 - 12:53 PM
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Sounds good cobra
shame - Dec 21, 2006 - 01:22 PM
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There seems to be some major conflict with the new beryl so at the moment I suggest you don't update the debs just now OR don't dist-upgrade.
I've made 2 new builds and both are having the same problems.
Is there anyone who has updated the debs and dist-upgraded with no problems?
I'm doing my best to work out a solution and will post back as soon as I work something out.
zulu9 - Dec 21, 2006 - 02:13 PM
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ih8u wrote:
although i now have some strange problems with beryl not accepting any changes i make through the settings manager and all of the themes in emerald are invalid. any ideas would be appreciated.
thanks for all of your hard work on the beryl packages.
edit:
oh yeah this is the error message that i get while running beryl-manager in a terminal
(process:11063): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_key_file_set_value: assertion `g_key_file_is_key_name (key)' failed
same here. also config-files in ~/.beryl are empty. happens with the ones from (18th December and 21st December).
I might still got some even older .debs somewhere. I'll look for them and try them probably this evening if no other solution is found till then.
Good luck shame and thx again for your work!
bushit - Dec 21, 2006 - 03:04 PM
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shame wrote:
Have you made sure the "png" plugin is enabled as this is now essential for the snowflakes to appear?
Thank you, shame, I did not realize that the there is a png plugin at all. Problem is solved now.
I am looking forward to your beryl-repo.
Thank you for your work!
bushit
DeepDayze - Dec 21, 2006 - 03:12 PM
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A beryl-repo would be great as you can then get the beryl packages. Why not create a beryl meta-package, so all you can do is type:
apt-get install beryl
apt-get install beryl-plugins
without having to install each package individually?
shame - Dec 21, 2006 - 03:28 PM
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apt-get install beryl on it's own will actually install all the components you need. The only thing it doesn't install are extra stuff like vidcap, aquamarine and the dev packages.
I've seen a couple more reports of these GLib-CRITICAL errors and settings being screwed up around the net, particular regarding sid and gentoo and not with my beryl build. From googling it seems those GLib-CRITICAL can mean anything.
HK-47 - Dec 21, 2006 - 03:51 PM
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i just did a d-u, and beryl still works on my system, as long as i don't try using aquamarine (which is too bad because it was the reason i tried out the latest svn in the first place). using aquamarine causes beryl to crash. beryl-manager launches compiz instead, and i can't switch back to beryl unless i log out and log back in.
knithx - Dec 21, 2006 - 04:00 PM
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I can't get Beryl+XGL working with ATI but I could get Compiz+XGL perfectly working with Kano's script: http://www.kanotix.com/files/install-compiz.sh
So why the script makes things work? Maybe that helps you to understand my problem. We could modify for Beryl, couldn't we?
Thanks.
zerkovic - Dec 21, 2006 - 06:18 PM
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for me it makes no ***** difference which beryl-version i use, stable doesnt do it either: emerald themes gives: No Engine; the options in beryl settings manager gives all the options but not all of them work, pe: transparancy, animations .... ive been busy for some hours now... and yes it happened after the d-u of yesterday. (i still have my cube though )
shame - Dec 21, 2006 - 07:28 PM
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Ok, I found a fix that gets beryl working again and lets you save your settings etc.
You have to downgrade libglib to testing. In my case this also removed a lot of dev packages but if you don't have many of those things should be ok.
Ok, I've tested it for a bit and everything is working normally again except aquamarine is still crashing beryl which I will look into again.
I've tried restoring my settings from a backup and also tried importing settings I previously exported and they are all working so I hope people regularly backup their settings.
Debs updated again but without aquamarine til I get it working properly.
@ HK-47
If you still have beryl working and aquamarine, try disabling the "Window Decoration" plugin under "Visual Effects" in beryl settings and let me know if it works.
shame - Dec 22, 2006 - 12:42 AM
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libglib2.0-0 has been updated and fixed on sid now. After a dist-upgrade, all the problems with beryl and emerald settings messing up should be solved.
I can now put all my attention on sorting out aquamarine and the repo.
zerkovic - Dec 22, 2006 - 01:00 AM
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yes you can, in the meantime, tx for all yer efforts....
zulu9 - Dec 22, 2006 - 01:19 AM
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yeah. another dist-upgrade and it is fine again. thx!!
ih8u - Dec 22, 2006 - 06:01 AM
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today's dist-upgrade fixed the problem here too. thanks
LadyCuddles - Dec 22, 2006 - 07:16 AM
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shame,
resolved my boot problem, but, in the process of finding out why I couldnt get into KDE, beryl had to be ripped out...
After getting back into KDE, I went after your current packages for beryl and extras on the main page, did the dpkg, and the install -f fine... Got into beryl, set up emerald with Cathbard's Gothic theme, and proceeded to start reconfiguring beryl back to my liking. I can get the snow plugin to work, but cant seem to "find" let alone, activate the screensaver plugin... I re-installed all the deb packages again, just to ensure I had all of them, and no errors, and the screensaver plugin was installed... But, I cant find it, nor activate it...
You have any ideas??? Thanks in advance, beryl, the newest ones, are wonderful - the splash screen is "wicked!"
HK-47 - Dec 22, 2006 - 09:42 AM
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@shame:
disabling the window decorations removes the window decorations completely, regardless of the decorator selected. after another d-u, aquamarine works for a few seconds, and then crashes, taking X along with it. beryl+emerald is working fine.
shame - Dec 22, 2006 - 01:00 PM
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@ HK-47
I've now rebuilt both the trunk and branches versions of aquamarine at least a dozen times and every time it crashes beryl. There are no errors when building I can't find anything to suggest what the problem is but I'm still trying.
@ LadyCuddles
I suspect the screensaver problem is due to the change in new beryl settings layout as I forgot to recompile screensaver with the latest debs (oops ).
The repo should be online tonight and everything will be updated and added, including screensaver, kicker-compiz and taskbar-compiz and the new, experimental wallpaper plugin (different wallpaper on each side of cube), if I can get it working properly.
I was hoping to have aquamaine there also but it's not looking good I'm afraid.
bushit - Dec 22, 2006 - 02:20 PM
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Thank you, todays d-u fixed the problem and your repo works fine for me.
Great work!
bushit
wegface - Dec 22, 2006 - 09:31 PM
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Just used your repo shame and it all worked ok. be good to do a "unstable" and a "stable" option.
One thing, did they remove 3d world in 0.1.4 i cant seem to find it anywhere. Im not overly keen on the new layout of the settings manager, have to dig around too much for my liking.
Good job shame.
shame - Dec 22, 2006 - 10:16 PM
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I had aquamarine running on suse and I've just updated it to latest svn and it's crashing exactly like on sidux so it seems to be something to do with aquamarine itself so there's not much I can do about it at the moment.
I have some other things to tend to but the proper "daily" repo will definitely be up soon, between 12am and 1am GMT and I'll post the new apt source then. Still deciding on the final structure of it as I have some other projects I'm working on which I'll be adding at some point (Top Secret).
What I will say is I'm planning a 64-bit repo as well once sidux 64 cd's are released.
I'm not sure what the format of the weekly/relatively stable one will be. Since I'll be personally using the same version as on the daily one it's gonna be hard to judge what versions are actually stable. Up until the last week or so every svn version had been stable for me but there's been a few hiccups lately.
It may simply end up being exactly like the daily one but updated every week for people who like dist-upgrading every day but don't want to be updating beryl every day meaning on the day it's updated it will have the same version as the daily one on that day (if that makes any sense).
What would people here prefer? Since it's you that inspired me to do this in the first place (and I'm glad you did, I'm learning so much).
@ wegface
I really liked the new layout at first but after a couple of days I'm longing for the much simpler older one
3D world is still there but I think it's called something else now, can't remember off-hand and beryl is uninstalled at the moment.
<EDIT>
Visual Effects > 3D Effects
zulu9 - Dec 22, 2006 - 10:42 PM
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cool. a repo would be really good. if understand it right there will be two repos? one daily updated and one updated with relatively stable versions of bery once a week? I would really like it that way though I could not decide which one I would use
LadyCuddles - Dec 22, 2006 - 11:23 PM
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shame,
Can you possibly set up two locations for upgrading from? I know thats more of a pain, and work, but, as Zulu9, I'd be interested in having a dual location repo... One can be for "stable" the other "unstable" - you set which one you want to pull from in your own sources.list ?
People who want to be "right on the edge" of the releases, can use the unstable repo, and people who want to be sure beryl isnt going to be an issue in SID kind of thing, can pick up the "stable" one
ps: is the screensaver plugin going to get updated, or has already, to current? Still dont have that working, but, everything else seems to have settled down now
shame - Dec 23, 2006 - 03:19 AM
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The repos are open See first post for full info and please read the warnings.
Both repos have the latest updated packages at the moment but I've done some testing and beryl is working at least as well as the last version (post libglib2.0-0 problems).
aquamarine still a mess but will be added once it's working.
@ LadyCuddles - screensaver plugin is back
Many, many thanks to everyone here who inspired me to do this.
If anyone has any problems let me know and I'll get on it as soon as I can.
<EDIT>
This is now the longest thread on the forum and only h2's du-fixes thread has more views
zulu9 - Dec 23, 2006 - 03:48 AM
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really nice! repo works like a charm. I chose the "stable" one for now. even snow-plugin is now working here, just in time
THX!
LadyCuddles - Dec 23, 2006 - 03:51 AM
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Shame,
you deserve the recognition for doing all of this... Beryl, on sidux, would not be where it is now, if it wasnt for YOU.
Thank you for being YOU, and for doing what YOU do
DeepDayze - Dec 23, 2006 - 04:15 AM
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How do you get the windows to float off the cube surface? That effect looks wicked. Also somehow I lost the transparent cube...how do I get cube transparency back?
shame - Dec 23, 2006 - 04:21 AM
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It's now called 3D Effects.
check Beryl-Settings > Visual Effects > 3D Effects to enable
Transparent cube under Beryl Settings > Desktop > Desktop Cube > Transparency.
I know, it's getting very confusing after being used to the previous layout.
LadyCuddles - Dec 23, 2006 - 04:25 AM
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Shame, forgot to mention... btw...
The repositories are a blessing, and the screensaver plugin is beautiful, as well as the ease in which everything has been set up - you can be really proud of this accomplishment, and everyone, can benefit...
Thank you again, this has become a lot better, a lot easier, and, for those of us, who have almost fought to keep there beryl, when it appears to be the first thing people suggest to rip out... Ive fought tooth and nail, to keep it, to reinstall it, and to continually, run it... Some people consider beryl to be air to the rest in the world... I cant live without it, and only reason, I dont have to, is from all the work you have done -=- Thank you Shame, you should be crowned the "King" of the Beryl, either that, or, "Master"
DeepDayze - Dec 23, 2006 - 04:29 AM
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Shame, thanks...found the transparency setting. Looks like the update turned off the transparency. Turned it back on and now it works
Thanks for providing us with some neato beryl packages. There are people who can help you with creating some scripts...just ask
DeepDayze - Dec 23, 2006 - 04:31 AM
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Beryl's the envy of the people who use "that unspeakable OS"
LadyCuddles - Dec 23, 2006 - 04:40 AM
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OMG!
I just fired up the screensaver, and unless I have a setting wrong somewhere, I still need to sift through all the settings to be sure, it requires "super F2" to disable the screensaver, as before, you just needed to move the mouse... but... that wasnt the thing I wanted to say...
Fire up the screensaver, and "accidently" pressed the mouse-wheel button, and all my windows SHOT out and began spinning with the cube... Also, since the screensaver is not deactivated by the mouse, mouse movement, as is the wheel, make the cube move in the screensaver... really WICKED when you just "fast spin" your mouse wheel... This is not only the envy of Windows, this has surpassed any of there dreams DeepDayze
sleekmason - Dec 23, 2006 - 05:32 AM
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Maybe I am missing something more, but I am not having any problem with the aqua marine theme. What is the problem people are having? just crashing on it's own? or when doing something specific?
ih8u - Dec 23, 2006 - 09:30 AM
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Shame,
Thanks for all of your hard work with beryl and the setting up of your own beryl repository. I personally will be using your unstable-daily repo.
@ sleekmason
every time I select aquamarine as a window decorator, it runs fine for a minute and then X crashes and I have to log back in.
HK-47 - Dec 23, 2006 - 10:41 AM
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thanks for the work on the repo, shame!
shame - Dec 23, 2006 - 11:55 AM
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@ LadyCuddles
I haven't played around with latest screensaver other than to check it was working but as I understand it, if you use a hotkey to initialise it, you also have to a hotkey to stop it, this is so you can use other hotkeys to play around with it.
If you leave it to start automatically then moving the mouse does stop it, and it no longer settles on the top/bottom face.
@ sleekmason
Like ih8u, I get aquamarine running for a bit then it suddenly crashes beryl, particularly if I open a kde app and sometimes it crashes X and logs me out. Could you possibly post your settings berylmanagerrc files so I can check if it's a particular setting messing things up for the rest of us? Also, what driver are you using? When I look through the crash.out it doesn't really tell me much.
If I can get it working I reckon I will switch to it instead of emerald.
wegface - Dec 23, 2006 - 12:22 PM
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shame: ah yes i did find it then, seems it just has no effect. Probably some sort of settings conflict since they changed the order of it all, i just havnt bothered to start afresh
piper - Dec 23, 2006 - 12:28 PM
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bushit - Dec 23, 2006 - 12:36 PM
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Great work, shame. I decided to use your unstable repo, which is an early Christmas present for the sidux community.
Thank you!
bushit
Sprinter1 - Dec 23, 2006 - 02:46 PM
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thx shame for your work, runs perfect hear accept of Opera... When in beryl Opera starts only as a fullscreen white box. Switching back to kwin and opera is just fine.
Everyone else using opera and beryl?
beryl:
Installiert:0.1.4+svn-r2010+shame0
opera:
Installiert:9.10-20061214.6
Sprinter
shame - Dec 23, 2006 - 04:05 PM
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@ Sprinter1
Try typing this in a terminal before launching opera -
Code:
export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1
Then type opera and see if there are any errors.
Right, I'm trying to gpg sign the repos but it's something else I know nothing
about so I'm just experimenting at the moment.
I've tried signing the "relatively-stable" repo.
Can someone try apt-get update with that repo and let me know if it comes up with the gpg/pubkey error thing?
If it does, enter this in a terminal as root and it that goes ok then do apt-get update again and see if the error is gone.
Code:
gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 4E26FFBE && apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg
If someone can help me with this I'd be grateful.
bushit - Dec 23, 2006 - 04:10 PM
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I don't get a gpg request here (unstable repo). apt-get update causes no errors, although the key isn't added.
bushit
LadyCuddles - Dec 23, 2006 - 04:12 PM
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Shame,
Did that, this is what I get from that last apt-get update:
Fetched 195B in 5s (38B/s)
Failed to fetch http://www.juliepeez.plus.com/repo/debi ... /./Release Unable to find expected entry Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
Reading package lists... Done
E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
root@neo:~#
Hope this helps,
bushit - Dec 23, 2006 - 04:34 PM
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A gpg error occurs now with your "stable" repository.
Code:
W: GPG error: http://www.juliepeez.plus.com ./ Release: Die folgenden Signaturen konnten nicht überprüft werden, weil ihr öffentlicher Schlüssel nicht verfügbar ist: NO_PUBKEY 5B6123F44E26FFBE
W: Probieren Sie „apt-get update“, um diese Probleme zu korrigieren.
Adding the key triggers off this error:
Code:
Konnte http://www.juliepeez.plus.com/repo/debian-sid/beryl-svn/relatively-stable/./Release nicht holen Unable to find expected entry Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
Hope this helps you.
LadyCuddles - Dec 23, 2006 - 04:38 PM
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just did a apt-get update - absolutely no error, clean through
bushit - Dec 23, 2006 - 04:41 PM
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Indeed, no error any more. Neither using the stable nor the unstable repo causes any gpg error.
LadyCuddles - Dec 23, 2006 - 04:49 PM
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Oh man, I was just testing against the "somewhat-stable" or the "stable" - sorry if I was confisung... I dont want beryl to be an additional SID problem, everyone tends to want to rip it out when I have problems, so, I went with the *stable* repo...
Still hope that helps, though,
zulu9 - Dec 23, 2006 - 04:49 PM
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it is fine here too. I added the gpg-key and apt-get update works.
shame - Dec 23, 2006 - 10:04 PM
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My apologies but I had connection problems earlier and then had to deal with some other stuff so I was unable to anything more with the signing thing.
I've had another go and it seems I had missed a step.
Both repos are signed and importing the key should work fine now (fingers crossed). Let me know if anyone has any problems.
wegface - Dec 23, 2006 - 10:43 PM
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shame: cool you got the gpg key sorted. How much bandwith are you isp letting you have on there personal web space? I know mine has a monthly allowance but i never managed to exceed it.
Just did apt-get update and got this:
Failed to fetch http://www.juliepeez.plus.com/repo/debi ... ackages.gz MD5Sum mismatch
Peace.
sleekmason - Dec 23, 2006 - 11:20 PM
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@Shame, here are the settings you requested. please not that I am NOT using the beryl screensaver, taskbar, or desktop pager. I hope this helps.
Code:
s_number_of_desktops=1
a_hide_skip_taskbar_windows=false
s_lighting=false
a_autoraise_delay=3870
a_active_plugins=settings;crashhandler;trailfocus;inputzoom;resize;rotate;neg;splash;png;animation;put;svg;move;water;screenshot;wobbly;switcher;state;place;decoration;3d;cube;scale;fade;snow;blurfx;
a_texture_filter=Best
[rotate]
s_sensitivity=1
s_acceleration=2.3728322982788086
s_speed=1.5
s_timestep=0.89999997615814209
s_mantimestep=1.5
s_zoom=7.1531791687011719
s_zoom_initiate_only=true
s_wheel_on_edges=true
[scale]
s_speed=1.470879077911377
s_timestep=2.1000001430511475
s_darken_back_factor=0.31197771430015564
s_show_minimized=true
s_head=0
[cube]
s_acceleration=4
s_speed=1.5
s_timestep=1.2000000476837158
s_fade_time=1
s_unfold_distancee=1.0714285373687744
s_skydome=true
s_skydome_animated=true
s_change_viewport_slide_no3d=true
s_images_top=/home/sleek/pictures/CosmicFun.png;
s_images_bottom=/home/sleek/pictures/CosmicFun.png;
s_skydome_image=/home/sleek/pictures/1.png
s_transparent=true
s_manualonly=false
s_cap_transparent_snap=false
s_active_opacity=50
[fade]
s_fade_speed=7
[put]
s_speed=2.5
s_timestep=0.5
[water]
a_offset_scale=0
a_title_wave_amplitude=0.10376044362783432
a_rain_wave_amplitude=0.50086349248886108
a_water_viscosity=0.20000000298023224
a_ungrab_wave=true
a_initial_vertices=2030
a_rain_delay=10
[switcher]
s_speed=2.5
s_timestep=1.1000000238418579
s_zoom=1.7857142686843872
s_temp_unminimize=true
[inputzoom]
s_speed=1
s_step=1.25
s_max=16
s_timestep=1.2000000476837158
s_show_scaled=false
[animation]
s_minimize_duration=0.5
s_unminimize_duration=0.5
s_close1_duration=0.76774191856384277
s_create1_duration=0.62258064746856689
s_close2_duration=0.99000000953674316
s_create2_duration=0.15000000596046448
s_focus_duration=0.73870968818664551
s_shade_duration=0.5
s_unshade_duration=0.5
s_focus_wave_width=0.54537570476531982
s_curved_fold_amp=0.15000000596046448
s_horizontal_folds_amp=0.070000000298023224
s_sidekick_num_rotations=0.5
s_fire_size=5
s_fire_slowdown=0.5
s_fire_life=0.69999998807907104
s_beam_size=8
s_beam_slowdown=1
s_beam_life=0.69999998807907104
s_create2_effect=Zoom
s_close2_effect=Zoom
s_magic_lamp1_max_waves=3
s_magic_lamp2_wave_amp_max=200
[wobbly]
s_move_friction=4
s_move_spring_k=10
s_map_friction=4
s_map_spring_k=10
s_grab_friction=4
s_grab_spring_k=10
s_focus_friction=4
s_focus_spring_k=10
s_maximize_friction=4
s_maximize_spring_k=10
s_visual_bell_friction=4
s_visual_bell_spring_k=10
s_release_friction=4
s_release_spring_k=10
s_urgent_friction=4
s_urgent_spring_k=10
s_urgent_velocity=1
s_focus_effect=None
s_map_window_types=Splash;Notification;Unknown;
s_focus_window_types=Normal;Unknown;
[splash]
a_saturation=50
a_brightness=30.919219970703125
a_fade_time=1
a_display_time=0.835654616355896
[snow]
a_Initiate__keyboard=F10
a_Initiate__mouse=#Button0
a_snow_size=14.285714149475098
a_snow_speed=44.780220031738281
a_screen_boxing=529.2479248046875
a_snow_update_delay=39
a_screen_depth=653.84613037109375
a_num_snowflakes=674.84661865234375
a_snow_textures=/usr/share/beryl/snowflake2.png;/usr/share/beryl/copo_gbg_14.png;/usr/share/beryl/copo_gbg_12.png;/usr/share/beryl/copo_gbg_07.png;/usr/share/beryl/copo_gbg_01.png;/usr/share/beryl/copo_gbg_03.png;/usr/share/beryl/copo_gbg_05.png;/usr/share/beryl/copo_gbg_09.png;/usr/share/beryl/copo_gbg_02.png;/usr/share/beryl/copo_gbg_08.png;/usr/share/beryl/copo_gbg_10.png;
[trailfocus]
s_minimum_window_opacity_level=89
s_maximum_trail_count=7
[3d]
s_nocaps=false
s_space=0.074000000953674316
s_speed=0.004999999888241291
[blurfx]
s_blur_windows=false
s_reflection_windows=false
s_motion_blur_strength=20
s_blur_saturation=100
[move]
a_snapoff_maximized=true
shame - Dec 23, 2006 - 11:41 PM
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@ wegface
To be honest, I never even thought about that. I've done some checking up and there is no set bandwidth limit but they operate an "acceptable use policy".
However, I haven't had any notification from them about any problem so it may be that I've still not got the gpg signing right.
I've removed the key so see if it works now, the daily repo will be updated in an hour or 2.
Failing that, see if you can browse to http://www.juliepeez.plus.com/repo/debi ... ble-daily/ and download anything.
In the meantime I'll look into some hosting, just in case.
@ sleekmason
Thanks for the settings, I'll compare them to mine and see what differences I come up with. I tried removing the screensaver, taskbar and pager but that didn't help.
zerkovic - Dec 24, 2006 - 01:29 AM
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question1: how do i make the windows go up slowly and down slowly .... it worked before, it still works with ctrl + alt + mouse, it doesnt with just the scroll wheel.
question2:beryl settings > visual effects > 3D Effects > Advanced > 3D Only on Mouse Rotate, can be unchecked but when hitting refresh it is autochecked again ...
shame - Dec 24, 2006 - 03:07 AM
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@ zerkovic
question1: I'm not really sure what you mean, are you referring to the 3d effect?
question2: I've just noticed that also, I've just updated the daily repo and that has the same problem. I'll look into the problem.
I'm still getting nowhere with aquamarine, I've added it to daily since one user at least has reported no problems and it now loads kwin rather than completely crashing X. If anyone gets it working let me know. If it causes problems probably best to uninstall it.
@ sleekmason
I've gone through your settings and even tried importing them but aquamarine still crashes.
Bam - Dec 24, 2006 - 06:05 AM
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Just wanted to drop a quick note to say "thank you shame" for all the work you have done getting us Beryl debs. I'm still using the first 0.1.3 debs that had the layered windows added to them you put out.
Since I have some time off over the holidays, I'm looking forward to trying out the latest in your new repo. That is going to be so nice being able to get the latest beryl during a d-u.
I really appreciate all the work you've put into this. Using your debs is so much easier than what I went through when I first set up XGL/compiz in Kanotix. I only played with it once in a while until I removed both & started using your beryl debs...now I run it all the time.
Have you thought about posting a link to your your repo over at the beryl packages section of www.beryl-project.org forums? I remember a big post over there before the old forum crashed about people complaining that there were a bunch of ubuntu builds listed, but no decent "pure" debian builds.
wegface - Dec 24, 2006 - 09:51 AM
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Theres actually plenty pure debian repos at the beryl forums now including a debian sid one. Save your b/w for us shame! lol
slam - Dec 24, 2006 - 10:03 AM
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@sleekmason: Please make use of the Code- and Quote-boxes in order the keep the forum readable. Have a look at your post - I have done it there for you.
Greetings,
Chris
shame - Dec 24, 2006 - 11:58 AM
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@ zerkovic
I've found out the cause of the 3D only on Mouse Rotate. It's apparently a typo made by by the devs. If it isn't fixed by the time I update again I'll fix it myself. Unfortunately I'm going to be very busy all day or I would have done an extra update.
@ Bam & wegface
Because there is some uncertainty about the bandwidth thing I wouldn't like to post the repo on beryl forums only for people here to end up missing out if I get cut off. So I think we should keep it our little secret
josk - Dec 24, 2006 - 12:33 PM
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Can I use those repos with my 64bit sidux or is those just for 32bit ???
zerkovic - Dec 24, 2006 - 02:22 PM
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[quote="shame"]@ zerkovic
I've found out the cause of the 3D only on Mouse Rotate. It's apparently a typo made by by the devs. If it isn't fixed by the time I update again I'll fix it myself. Unfortunately I'm going to be very busy all day or I would have done an extra update.
thank you for your efforts, and please dont let me give you the feeling to push you....
concerning my first question: it is hard to tell it properly (in english) ... mmm ok ill try again.... the windows can have their distance to the desktop. when i use ctrl + alt + mouse the gap grows turning the cube and the distance diminishes when letting loose ... i experienced the same effect when just using the mousewheel, but thats now not the case (not sure if it has to do with my second question [i am not sure at all about what each option in beryl settings manager does ]
another thing btw: (just reporting) setting **multimedia**-plugin (iceweasel) on full screen, blacks my screen and eventually freezes my desktop. i think i had the same problem with kuickshow. i removed it, and i have to try gwenview instead.
shame i wish you nice and not too busy days, and like to thank you for all your efforts, responsiveness, and a mindblowing beryl.
shame - Dec 24, 2006 - 07:45 PM
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@ josk
At the moment it's for 32-bit but there's no reason why it shouldn't work on 64-bit. I've used 32-bit and 64-bit versions of beryl on 64-bit openSUSE and there was no difference at all (either way it runs better on 32-bit sidux).
Once there is a sidux 64 cd I will be doing 64-bit versions of beryl as well as 32-bit though.
By the way, I normally hate linux wallpapers with penguins on but that underwater one you did is fantastic, even better if they were dolphins though.
@ zerkovic
I understand your question now and they are both related to the same thing. It should be all back to normal after the next update.
<EDIT>
I have read of issues with quickshow and beryl but **multimedia** is normally ok. I'll look into it for you.
zulu9 - Dec 24, 2006 - 08:09 PM
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Hi! I wanted to try the unstable-repo for a test but get gpg-error there:
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The following packages will be upgraded:
beryl beryl-core beryl-manager beryl-plugins beryl-plugins-data beryl-settings beryl-vidcap emerald libberylsettings0
libemeraldengine0 screensaver-plugin
11 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 3655kB of archives.
After unpacking 4096B of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
beryl-core libberylsettings0 beryl-plugins-data beryl-plugins beryl-settings libemeraldengine0 emerald beryl-manager
beryl beryl-vidcap screensaver-plugin
Install these packages without verification [y/N]? n
E: Some packages could not be authenticated
I've added the key and installed beryl from the relatively-stable repo before without problems.
shame - Dec 24, 2006 - 09:28 PM
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Yes, I was having problems getting it to work properly so I had to remove the gpg key.
You will get the authentication message until I can work out why signing isn't working properly.
I'll hopefully have it sorted soon.
sleekmason - Dec 24, 2006 - 09:41 PM
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@ sleekmason
Thanks for the settings, I'll compare them to mine and see what differences I come up with. I tried removing the screensaver, taskbar and pager but that didn't help.
Shame, The only other thing I can think of that might help is that I am also upgrading with these repos:
#extras
deb **multimedia**/ etch main
deb **multimedia**/ sid main
deb-src **multimedia**/ etch main
deb http://packages.kirya.net/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
deb-src http://packages.kirya.net/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
# Unstable
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
devil - Dec 24, 2006 - 09:50 PM
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sleekmason,
why etch repos?
stuff in there is older than in unstable
greetz
devil
zerkovic - Dec 25, 2006 - 03:18 AM
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shame wrote:
<EDIT>
I have read of issues with quickshow and beryl but **multimedia** is normally ok. I'll look into it for you.
gramps does the same going fullscreen
it is **multimedia**plugin (http://www.gametrailers.com/)
sleekmason - Dec 25, 2006 - 08:07 PM
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aackk!! Didn't see I still had that in there. Was a time when i needed to downgrade a package for something, but that was a long time ago.
Cathbard - Dec 26, 2006 - 06:19 AM
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I am getting a size mismatch error on emerald_0.1.4+svn-r1981+shame0_i386 using the relatively-stable repo?
shame - Dec 26, 2006 - 11:00 AM
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@ Cathbard
I've updated the relatively stable stuff to the latest build as it's working with no problems so the error should be gone.
For anyone who updated the unstable repo in the last few hours, I noticed the "3D only on Mouse Rotate" problem from a couple of days ago has returned.
I've patched it myself so you might want to update again.
wegface - Dec 26, 2006 - 12:15 PM
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shame: Err http://www.juliepeez.plus.com ./ beryl-plugins 0.1.4-svn-r2054-shame0+1
404 Not Found
Failed to fetch http://www.juliepeez.plus.com/repo/debi ... 1_i386.deb 404 Not Found
E: Some files failed to download
i'm guessing your in the process of uploading stuff, i'll try again in a bit.
Mods: shouldn't this thread become a sticky, and possibly moved to software section? I thought anything goes was for discussions about the best sized wooden spoons, wingspan of the austrian sparrow, Britney Spears latest sexually transmitted diseases.... hmm thats disgusting... Merry humbug!
Cathbard - Dec 26, 2006 - 03:26 PM
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All fixed, thanks Shame.
shame - Dec 26, 2006 - 10:51 PM
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@ wegface & anyone else with the same problem
Please accept my apologies, I saw your post and assumed, as you did, that you had tried updating while I was uploading stuff.
I've just checked and noticed beryl-plugins hadn't actually uploaded for some reason.
I've uploaded it and checked the other packages so you shouldn't have anymore problems.
shame - Dec 27, 2006 - 05:25 AM
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I've updated everything and I'm afraid to say it might be a couple of days before I update unstable daily again.
Now all beryl and unofficial plugin packages are "properly" packaged, no more checkinstall and I want to refine my build script and properly debianise kicker/taskbar compiz as well as get gpg signing working properly.
In the meantime, to keep you unstable-daily users busy I've added 3 new unofficial plugins.
If any of you have frequented the beryl forums lately you may be aware of the plugins being worked on and I've been busy "debianising" them. To my knowledge, this is the only place you will find them in deb form
Firefly-plugin
This is based on the snow plugin except you have glowing fireflies flying around your desktop instead of snow falling. The options will be familiar and as with snow you must have "over windows" enabled OR midmaps disabled in desktop cube and 3D effect for the fireflies to work when rotating.
Tile-plugin
This enabled you to cascade or tile windows vertically/horizontally at the touch of a hotkey.
It's lacking transition animations at the moment and there are a few bugs at this early stage but it does it's job.
Wallpaper-plugin
This one allows you to have a different wallpaper on each side of the cube.
Note, set the paths to the wallpapers you want in beryl settings (svg or png only I think) then logout of kde or you will end up with screwy menus and windows. Restarting beryl isn't enough. This one also has a few bugs but it's been working ok for me so far.
They should all show up under "Toys and such" in beryl settings.
All the plugins are still in development so don't expect too much. If they prove to be working without problems I will add them to relatively-stable as well, next time I update it.
bushit - Dec 27, 2006 - 01:50 PM
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Due to the altered menu structure I am not able to find the options I am looking for.
Sorry for the stupid question, but where can I adjust the opacity of the inactive windows? I want to focus the active one in the foreground.
bushit
shame - Dec 27, 2006 - 02:25 PM
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Under Visual-Effects > Trailfocus >
You can change the opacity, brightness and saturation in the Appearance tab. If you want ALL unfocused windows to have the same level of opacity/brightness etc, go to the Behavious tab and change "Number of recently used windows to keep track of" to 1, otherwise they will have different levels depending on how long since they were focused.
bushit - Dec 27, 2006 - 02:27 PM
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Thank you, shame!
shame - Dec 27, 2006 - 03:22 PM
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Does anyone know of a command that will check a file for a particular line or lines of text and if it doesn't match a certain requirement, change the line?
Or failing that, does anyone know of a simple guide on writing a patch file?
zulu9 - Dec 27, 2006 - 06:33 PM
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@shame
this should all be possible with bash. for checking for a line the command is something like
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grep -c 'your line' /path/to/file
this will return a 1 if the line (or part of a line) is found 1 time (2 for two times and so on) and a 0 if not.
h2 uses such stuff in his scripts very often. maybe it would be a good idea if you talked to him on sidux-irc or have a look at his scripts.
edit: also have a look at sed (man sed) and how h2 uses it to replace lines in files.
RRowan - Dec 27, 2006 - 10:33 PM
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Hi Shame,
I installed your repo and it seems to be fine (ie: No errors). But for the life of me I can't seem to get Beryl started. I did the Ctrl - Alt - backspace and selected beryl. I only get my normal sidux screen. Any ideas on how to try Beryl?
If it matters I am using a Dell D-600 Laptop which has a ATI video card.
Thanks
RR
ih8u - Dec 27, 2006 - 10:53 PM
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rrowan
run
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beryl-manager
as a regular user on a command line
that should give you the beryl-manager icon in your system tray.
from there click the icon, go to select window manager, and click beryl
hope this helps[/code]
shame - Dec 27, 2006 - 11:03 PM
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I'm assuming you have beryl start from an xsession. I've also been having problems very recently. Sometimes beryl starts and other times it doesn't.
I have noticed that the .beryl-managerrc file in the home directory seems to get overwritten from time to time and is so telling beryl to start with kwin as window manager instead of beryl.
I haven't worked out what is causing it exactly but it seems to have started happening after the last kde and xorg update and also after I first started adding aquamarine to the repo.
I'm thinking it is most likely to be down to aquamarine as it causing nothing but problems for me and I just don't know why.
Try uninstalling aquamarine if you have it then restart beryl and right-click on the tray icon and select beryl as your window manager then logout or reboot and see if things are ok then.
I'm also suspecting splashy as this is also been acting strangely and sometimes kdm doesn't appear at all and other it does, it seems to be going into the wrong runlevel or something.
kstevek - Dec 27, 2006 - 11:09 PM
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Hey shame overworked as usual eh? heres another for you, I,ve lost skydome image and endcaps, ha
